Rowand44 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: For the first time ever, I came within one race of being a full straight ticket voter. Typically my ballot looks like swiss cheese. This time around, I pulled for one GOP at the county level who I personally know well and absolutely adore for what he does in our community. I almost didn't vote for him, but if I didn't the person on the other side was a DUI arrest and a drug arrest who told the cop he should be fighting real crimes. Trying to be a hall of famer politician person? This joke is still funny, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Rowand44 said: Trying to be a hall of famer politician person? This joke is still funny, right? At least until Tony gets fired, yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Dravot Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Hey, no worries. Its an American tradition for industrious blue states to allow freeloading red states to continue to freeload. And for red politicians to shit-talk blue states that bail out shithole southern red states over and over. That said, I read your previous argument about "socialized health care" to be some iteration of: "No one should have access to my labor, EVAR!" So, I used quotations to refer back to your point about others "having access to another's labor. " Apologies if I misread your argument, but "derr, all socialism bad " is intellectually dishonest; hereto fore, I hadn't detected that type of thought from you in this thread. As an aside, in the UK, some of their citizens are on NHS, while others buy private health insurance. Ultimately, I think this is where adding a public option to the ACA would come into the picture. OK, I am actually curious- I hear this all the time about red states receiving more federal funding than blue states. What does that refer to? You joke about hurricane response, but is that it? Asking because I don't know the nuances behind this argument. I do strongly adhere to the idea of positive rights versus negative rights. My right to free speech doesn't affect you, but my right to housing does (if you're a home builder). But like you say, the dividing line's not perfect. There are times where we provide goods and subsidize that labor because it makes sense. I'm probably more supportive of charter schools than you are, but I still don't disagree with the idea that the state provides education. Government paid workers should build and maintain roads, and whatever we think of policing, it shouldn't be privatized, nor should fire and park rangers and so on. I'm a vet, so obviously, defense is a big thing that the government should cover, IMO. I'm strongly against actual socialism and I think it's detrimental when certain parties overindulge themselves in fears of socialism. Republicans will come along and say, "A public option is socialism!" And liberals will respond, "Derr, are roads socialism, you uneducated bumpkin?!" No. Neither is. Socialism is out there (think Venezuela), it sucks, but it's not here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Dravot Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, pettie4sox said: I do not think you insulted my intelligence. Maybe he is referring to my linear thinking comment but that's not an insult that's describing one's way of thinking about situations. Kyyle is trying stir things up to close the thread. Typical buzzkill mod. 😁 Hey now, I'm still down to hear how I'm too linear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said: OK, I am actually curious- I hear this all the time about red states receiving more federal funding than blue states. What does that refer to? You joke about hurricane response, but is that it? Asking because I don't know the nuances behind this argument. I'm strongly against actual socialism and I think it's detrimental when certain parties overindulge themselves in fears of socialism. Republicans will come along and say, "A public option is socialism!" And liberals will respond, "Derr, are roads socialism, you uneducated bumpkin?!" With respect to the bolded, here you go: Most and Least Federally Dependent States Also: Fact check: Blue high tax states fund red low-tax states All of the top 15 freeloading states are red, except for New Mexico, which is likely due to cash spent on Los Alamos national laboratory. That aside, its my view that we have made peace with others gaining access to another's labor already. Its merely a matter of how much access we are comfortable allowing, vs the relative benefits of doing so. I think we're closer in this view than apart, but posing "socialism" as "access to another's labor" (on absolute terms) isn't the best yardstick for it, IMO. Edited November 13, 2020 by Two-Gun Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Texsox Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: For the first time ever, I came within one race of being a full straight ticket voter. Typically my ballot looks like swiss cheese. This time around, I pulled for one GOP at the county level who I personally know well and absolutely adore for what he does in our community. I almost didn't vote for him, but if I didn't the person on the other side was a DUI arrest and a drug arrest who told the cop he should be fighting real crimes. A sign of the coming apocalypse, Tex voted for twice as many Republicans as SS2k5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 ss2k5 within two years you're going be quoting straight from Das Kapital and Communist Manifesto, mark my words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: ss2k5 within two years you're going be quoting straight from Das Kapital and Communist Manifesto, mark my words Yes AOC comrade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 CNN is making the final election calls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 NYT has done the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: CNN is making the final election calls. I guess this means Biden won. Can the Republicans tell Trump it is time to concede? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 This vote isn't official because it isn't certified!!! No wait don't certify the vote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kyyle23 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This vote isn't official because it isn't certified!!! No wait don't certify the vote! Michigan judges have had enough lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I do not envy Biden and the challenge he has in front of him. He needs to keep the folks that flipped and try to build from there. What will be interesting is what the folks that came out specifically because of Trump (for or against) will do during the midterms. For better and worse Trump drove participation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 One thing both parties must do is make the election process as transparent as possible and then educate the public on how the system works. We can't go through this paranoid crap every four years. Trump needs to concede immediately and let the transition process begin. He then needs to crawl back into the hole he crawled out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, NWINFan said: One thing both parties must do is make the election process as transparent as possible and then educate the public on how the system works. We can't go through this paranoid crap every four years. Trump needs to concede immediately and let the transition process begin. He then needs to crawl back into the hole he crawled out of. Exactly. One lesson though is he didn't crawl out of a hole. He was a famous reality TV star. Being famous gives people credibility today that I'd down right scary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Danny Dravot Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Texsox said: Exactly. One lesson though is he didn't crawl out of a hole. He was a famous reality TV star. Being famous gives people credibility today that I'd down right scary. I agree with this. One big thing I've always thought about Trump is that he's not particularly conservative. It's why his attempts at making conservative arguments are terrible, as I've pointed out. Whether you like the ideology or not, there is a base philosophy to it. Trump isn't familiar with it and doesn't speak it, so he usually comes off looking like an idiot (it doesn't help matters that he is an idiot). Additionally, he's rounded up a lot of voters for himself who are also not particularly conservative. There'll be lots of talk about how to retain Trump's base in 2024. Personally, with my theories about centrism, I'd prefer we go with a Hogan/Romney/Sasse type and those fringes will just be forced once again to play "lesser of two evils", but I don't think a Cotton or Pompeo or Cruz will automatically pick up the Trump vote. Because they are NOT Trump. A lot of people hate Trump's character, but a sizeable chunk actively LIKE it. My friend from college's dad is a FB friend of mine, and he recently posted a link about Pam Bondi declaring massive voter fraud and the election being illegitimate, with his comment being, "Best news yet!" I've been over to his house a lot, I know him decently well, but is he really a conservative? Nah. He's an obnoxious Jersey loudmouth, he'd sit in his rocking chair in the living room while drinking beer and screaming at his wife to retrieve things from around the house for him, and he enjoyed telling crude stories about how he and buddies threw firecrackers at Dave Winfield at Yankee Stadium back in the day, but if you asked him the difference between a paleocon and a neocon, or what positive rights are and why they are wrong, he wouldn't know where to start. They like Trump's "manliness". He's impolite, politically incorrect, vulgar, and so on. He's TOUGH! He FIGHTS! And I don't understand that at all. He dodged Vietnam, he inherited hundreds of millions of dollars and got shittier results out of it than if he merely dumped it in an index fund and forgot about it, he's failed at two marriages because of rampant indiscretions, and he mostly seems tough because he had scripted role on a TV show where he fired people in a blunt way (by all accounts, he doesn't even like firing people in person). I'm proud to be a man, and the breadwinner for and protector of my family, I will be married to one woman in my life and my kids will only ever know one father, I've stood up constantly for what I believe to be right (at risk of my own life), and nothing about Trump strikes me as truly manly at all. Edited November 13, 2020 by Danny Dravot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 The best (worst) part of all this is that both the Democrats and Republicans are holding big new member dinners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Danny Dravot Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1327407964404260870 This is unhinged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said: https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1327407964404260870 This is unhinged. Is there someone just making this shit up for him to tweet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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