11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

You can't see him stealing stuff out of the White House to sell later for profit?  I think it sounds just like him.

Stealing stuff sure, but he won't do it himself, he will send in Jim Jordan or Nunes.  

16 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Stealing stuff sure, but he won't do it himself, he will send in Jim Jordan or Nunes.  

He'll stock up on legal pads and paper clips for sure.  He won't fade away.  The $200M he's collected from supporters since the election will prolly be put to use politically.

 

1 hour ago, hogan873 said:

I think the most realistic outcome is a split, unfortunately.  Regardless, I don't think we know anything for a couple days.  Early and mail-in voting was huge, so it's going to take a while to get everything counted.

I saw a brief interview with GOP pollster, Frank Luntz. He thought the results will be known by Wednesday morning, and it will be very bad news for the GOP. He thinks the Dems are more unified and enthusiastic. In addition, he stated that he saw billboards in Georgia encouraging people not to vote. The situation in crazy down there and really difficult to predict.

Meanwhile, the Republican challenge to the Electoral College is a complete joke and a waste of time. And there is nothing Mike Pence can do about it. He has no authority or power to do a damned thing. Enough already.

Oberweis is demanding that the House overturn his loss and install him for IL-14's seat

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20210104/oberweis-asks-us-house-to-overturn-underwood-victory

 

 

There are a lot of conservatives out there who fully believe the conspiracy theories Trump has consumed and repeated. This won't go away, not tomorrow, not on the 20th.

I've seen a couple people make the point that this drawn out refusal to accept the election results is providing momentum for getting rid of the electoral college, which would of course be disastrous for Republicans.

1 hour ago, StrangeSox said:

Oberweis is demanding that the House overturn his loss and install him for IL-14's seat

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20210104/oberweis-asks-us-house-to-overturn-underwood-victory

 

 

There are a lot of conservatives out there who fully believe the conspiracy theories Trump has consumed and repeated. This won't go away, not tomorrow, not on the 20th.

You are probably very right about this. And this is the real scary part. 

25 minutes ago, NWINFan said:

You are probably very right about this. And this is the real scary part. 

In Pennsylvania right now, the Republicans in the state legislature are refusing to seat a Democrat whose election was close but who has been affirmed as the victor by courts. The PA Lt. Governor (Fetterman, somewhat famous on Twitter) refused to recognize a motion against seating that elected official, so the Republicans have removed him from the House chambers and are using the Pro Temp president to swear in everyone else.

 

 We're actually watching as the idea of majority rule crumbles. This person got more votes, but it doesn't count because the Republicans have the State Senate.

33 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said:

I've seen a couple people make the point that this drawn out refusal to accept the election results is providing momentum for getting rid of the electoral college, which would of course be disastrous for Republicans.

Essentially by attacking results on a state by state basis, you are undermining the need for the electoral college if your contention is just going to be that this should be federally decided in the end anyway.  But because Trump cares only about himself and not the GOP, he is perfectly willing to not care about the logic here and destroy the party for his own good.

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Essentially by attacking results on a state by state basis, you are undermining the need for the electoral college if your contention is just going to be that this should be federally decided in the end anyway.  But because Trump cares only about himself and not the GOP, he is perfectly willing to not care about the logic here and destroy the party for his own good.

I mean, when Pennsylvania is doing what I just described - isn't it not Trump destroying the party, but rather Trump and the GOP vs. Democracy?

Didn't a lot of these same Senators and Congressman say during the Impeachment Hearings, that the people should decide who is POTUS. It's not up to them to remove him, voters can do that? Now that voters have done exactly that, the goalposts have been moved.

The other thing I don't understand is how every vote that is supposedly bad went to Biden. How do they know that, and how do the people who won  on the same supposed illegit ballots say their election is legit, but the presidential is fraudulent? 

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4 hours ago, Brian said:

I don't know what will happen today, but if the Dems win both seats, I'd like a live feed to Mitch McConnell's house so I can see his reaction.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2014/09/23/mcconnell-turtle/16092593/

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21 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Didn't a lot of these same Senators and Congressman say during the Impeachment Hearings, that the people should decide who is POTUS. It's not up to them to remove him, voters can do that? Now that voters have done exactly that, the goalposts have been moved.

The other thing I don't understand is how every vote that is supposedly bad went to Biden. How do they know that, and how do the people who won  on the same supposed illegit ballots say their election is legit, but the presidential is fraudulent? 

The Trump plan is to say whatever benefits you in the moment, and instantly 45% of the country believes it, no matter what else it contradicts.  This is the same crowd that justifies the civil war as a contest over states right who is going to work with the individual state's rights to choose their own electors.

3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The Trump plan is to say whatever benefits you in the moment, and instantly 45% of the country believes it, no matter what else it contradicts.  This is the same crowd that justifies the civil war as a contest over states right who is going to work with the individual state's rights to choose their own electors.

If Ted Cruz wants to be President, shouldn't he be kissing up to Kamala Harris, since apparently she is the one who should decide who wins the election in 4 years, and not some guy who may be in an institution?

10 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

If Ted Cruz wants to be President, shouldn't he be kissing up to Kamala Harris, since apparently she is the one who should decide who wins the election in 4 years, and not some guy who may be in an institution?

16 days from now the idea of the VP chosing the President will become socialism.

Democracy was so important in Iraq, troops were sent, some to die. But apparently it is now not so important here.

1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

I mean, when Pennsylvania is doing what I just described - isn't it not Trump destroying the party, but rather Trump and the GOP vs. Democracy?

Trump is a symptom of decades of rot, not the cause, part 1,023,235

6 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

Trump is a symptom of decades of rot, not the cause, part 1,023,235

I know I can think of discussions of what would happen after decades of stretching Presidential power when you finally ran into the guy who would take full advantage of it.  We just saw the test case scenario.

One thing is for sure, if both GOPers are ahead before everyone goes to bed and then they later are “caught” by absentee ballot counting (going 4-5/1 ratio for Dems), it’s just going to continue to reinforce that stolen election storyline.

Or that the Dems won by promising $2000 check socialism/giveaways (what will be later conveniently forgotten is that it’s Trump’s exact same position.)

3D or 5D chess, amirite?  Trump actually prefers Dem “control” of both houses to give him even more grounds to later assail it in 2022/24?

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2 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

In Pennsylvania right now, the Republicans in the state legislature are refusing to seat a Democrat whose election was close but who has been affirmed as the victor by courts. The PA Lt. Governor (Fetterman, somewhat famous on Twitter) refused to recognize a motion against seating that elected official, so the Republicans have removed him from the House chambers and are using the Pro Temp president to swear in everyone else.

 

 We're actually watching as the idea of majority rule crumbles. This person got more votes, but it doesn't count because the Republicans have the State Senate.

It is getting stranger and stranger. Suddenly, elections don't mean anything. Sometimes, I just think the Republicans are fully realizing that they are the minority party and they will take power whenever they can regardless of it is legitimate or not. The GOP always portrayed themselves as the flag-waving patriots. Now, it seems like they forgot what democracy is all about. 

https://www.ajc.com/news/distrust-and-worry-help-fuel-voter-turnout-in-east-georgia/MG5BAVXYUZEG5BDLOC6LRPFI4Q/

Betting markets have swung hard to dems in the last half hour

9 minutes ago, Heads22 said:

Betting markets have swung hard to dems in the last half hour

Can't we just stop the counting?

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16 minutes ago, Heads22 said:

Betting markets have swung hard to dems in the last half hour

They did the same thing for Trump on election night. 

NYT needle has the Dems barely winning, I think it'll depend on the election day turnout. 

Trump thinks Pence is like the Supreme Court tomorrow when the reality is he is like a celebrity opening the envelop at the Oscars.