Two-Gun Pete Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 37 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said: Bush 41 was inaugurated with an oppositional Senate. Every president since Carter has faced one at some point. Joe Biden should appoint moderates. You can be upset about it, but IF the Senate races hold this way and one of Perdue/Loeffler win their runoff, Biden doesn't have a progressive mandate. He'll find a reasonable way to handle it. Yeah, Biden should be a sucker, and nominate "moderates," just like Obama should've nominated a "moderate" like Merrick Garland. I mean, after all, McConnell is such an honorable man, and would never go back on his word, right? How could it go wrong? I dont want to hear any McConnell apologists being whiny b!tches when Biden uses the same "interim" appointees that Trump used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Well timed - I LOLd now you only need the 1994 America Online dial-up modem connecting sound to go along with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1902 lead in GA now for Trump Dwindling and dwindling and dwindling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Lead in GA down to 1902. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Dravot Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Yeah, Biden should be a sucker, and nominate "moderates," just like Obama should've nominated a "moderate" like Merrick Garland. I mean, after all, McConnell is such an honorable man, and would never go back on his word, right? How could it go wrong? I dont want to hear any McConnell apologists being whiny b!tches when Biden uses the same "interim" appointees that Trump used. Cabinet positions are quite a bit different than SCOTUS seats. And Trump used interim appointees so often because he has terrible turnover because he's an idiot of a boss. Not because he had an oppositional Senate, which he clearly did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Down to 42,142 in PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Danny Dravot said: Cabinet positions are quite a bit different than SCOTUS seats. And Trump used interim appointees so often because he has terrible turnover because he's an idiot of a boss. Not because he had an oppositional Senate, which he clearly did not. To be fair, many of his interim appointees could not have gotten through the Senate despite Republicans being in control, because they were that bad. The hearings alone would have been a nightmare of bad press for the Republicans in the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 PA down to 42k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said: Cabinet positions are quite a bit different than SCOTUS seats. And Trump used interim appointees so often because he has terrible turnover because he's an idiot of a boss. Not because he had an oppositional Senate, which he clearly did not. Fair point about the length of time a justice is in service. Doesn't that make McConnell's bullshyte and lying to the American public MORE egregious? Also, no one that leans right had a word to say about Trump using the backdoor method of using the interim appointment. Did you hear of anyone raising a stink about it? Given McConnell's untrustworthiness, I wouldn't blame Biden if he bypassed McConnell the same way Trump bypassed the Senate as well. Edited November 6, 2020 by Two-Gun Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 hours ago, KrankinSox said: My point is simply this: The govt, mostly dems, have hysterically accused Trump of everything under the sun for 4 years. The media and leftists were happy to push false narratives. So, if you really think they wouldn't try to commit election fraud too, then you're not paying attention. My secondary point is that anyone laughing at this notion should look in the mirror. I'm willing to bet they have personally pushed several false narratives about Trump. When I have posted to Facebook or engaged with Trump supporters, I bring facts to the table, facts that are sourced from different points of view (NY Times to CNN, to the Chicago Tribune, to the Bulwark, to Hugh Hewitt’s the rundown and Meet the Press). I blamed the 2016 loss on not paying attention to solutions for voters in the Rust Belt states and an unlikable Democratic candidate. I researched Russian interference, but I don’t think of it as the reason for Clinton losing. I do wish people wouldn’t make anyone out to be a leftist that is against Trump because I’m certainly not a progressive even though I am left of center. Labels are pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Dravot Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: To be fair, many of his interim appointees could not have gotten through the Senate despite Republicans being in control, because they were that bad. The hearings alone would have been a nightmare of bad press for the Republicans in the Senate. Just curious, but who are you thinking of? What was so bad about them? I don't pay a ton of attention to the ones beyond SecDef and SOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Joe Biden is a centrist, right leaning Democrat his entire career. He'll have no problems appointing moderates to his administration. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mqr Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: Joe Biden is a centrist, right leaning Democrat his entire career. He'll have no problems appointing moderates to his administration. It’s crazy how people forget the Joe was the guy the Dems paired with Obama to make more people more comfortable voting for a black guy who was at least running as pretty progressive Edited November 6, 2020 by mqr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 The expectation is Biden will pass Trump in PA between 3 and 4 am central time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said: Just curious, but who are you thinking of? What was so bad about them? I don't pay a ton of attention to the ones beyond SecDef and SOS. The most notable is Chad Wolf, who has been acting secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (FBI, CIA, FEMA, ICE) since November of 2019. In September, a judge ruled that he was illegally serving in that role, and that many of his actions and policy changes likely will be invalid. He's also the one who was in charge of, for example, the assault on protestors in Portland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 minute ago, StrangeSox said: Joe Biden is a centrist, right leaning Democrat his entire career. He'll have no problems appointing moderates to his administration. https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/10/20/biden-transition-republican-cabinet-429972 Joe Biden’s transition team is vetting a handful of Republicans for potential Cabinet positions — despite doubts it will win him new support from the right and the risk it will enrage the left. Joe Biden is a republican. That's why Obama picked him for VP, he wanted that moderate/conservative white vote from the suburbs I shake my head when I see middle class and low income americans vehemently supporting Biden, y'all's lives are gonna get worse lol Biden voted to confirm Antonin Scalia lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Dravot Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Fair point about the length of time a justice is in service. Doesn't that make McConnell's bullshyte and lying to the American public MORE egregious? Also, no one that leans right had a word to say about Trump using the backdoor method of using the interim appointment. Did you hear of anyone raising a stink about it? Given McConnell's untrustworthiness, I wouldn't blame Biden if he bypassed McConnell the same way Trump bypassed the Senate as well. I lean right, I voted for Biden (for many reasons). I'm far from alone in that category. That counts as "raising a stink about it", I think. I don't like presidents going around the balance of power. I didn't like Obama talking about using his pen and his phone, I don't like Trump using interim appointments, and so on. If you are a left-wing president and you have a right-wing Senate, well, strong left-wing policies just aren't going to be your legacy. And vice versa. It's your job to handle it. I hate that we got off track and seem to do more of that now, but the past is the past. The best way to move forward is to respect our systems as they were established. I wouldn't have voted for POTUS at all if I didn't see a candidate I thought capable of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Yeah, Biden should be a sucker, and nominate "moderates," just like Obama should've nominated a "moderate" like Merrick Garland. I mean, after all, McConnell is such an honorable man, and would never go back on his word, right? How could it go wrong? I dont want to hear any McConnell apologists being whiny b!tches when Biden uses the same "interim" appointees that Trump used. I just hope that if McConnell is still the senate majority leader that they can still pass bipartisan legislation or hold moderate Republican senators’ feet to the fire and not see them side with McConnell. I get more pissed off when I see McConnell blocking legislation that is more moderate and less progressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 hours ago, KrankinSox said: I never said they were identical issues. My point is this: Leftists were happy to push conspiracies about Trump in 2016 but any suggestion of foul play this time is considered to be "Qanon" apparently The difference is there absolutely zero basis of foul play this time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Just now, joesaiditstrue said: Biden voted to confirm Antonin Scalia lol Dude the vote was 98-0. Rip him for the Iraq war vote. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Dravot Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: Joe Biden is a centrist, right leaning Democrat his entire career. He'll have no problems appointing moderates to his administration. I agree with this almost entirely. Right leaning? Eh, not sure about that, but he's not a socialist, certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: The difference is there absolutely zero basis of foul play this time I mean they absolutely tried, it was as badly done as the last one, but this time when Giuliani tried releasing forged documents that just happened to show they were on a phone on a Russian telephone network, people caught on. The press went along willingly in 2016, for a number of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Beast said: I just hope that if McConnell is still the senate majority leader that they can still pass bipartisan legislation or hold moderate Republican senators’ feet to the fire and not see them side with McConnell. I get more pissed off when I see McConnell blocking legislation that is more moderate and less progressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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