Stone coming on the score to talk about it now

10 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Yes, but they shouldn't have been at their ceiling in 2020. You would think the 2020 payroll had room for at least a couple of years of arb increases and an addition or two

Where does the Sox payroll # sit with Lynn added?

Just now, RagahRagah said:

I firmly believe Lynn is not enough to make this rotation WS caliber, especially with Dallas likely to regress. Hope I'm wrong but stopping here with pitching would be a big mistake.

Well unless you think a 4 starter solves the problem, be prepared for what you consider to be a big mistake.

1 minute ago, Dam8610 said:

Well unless you think a 4 starter solves the problem, be prepared for what you consider to be a big mistake.

I definitely am prepared for it.

Just fucking sign Bauer.

I'm fine with this trade. I think dunning is a solid 5 starter but his upside is rather limited.

I don't know anything about weems. His stats are great but he was 22 in rookie ball so he better put up good stats, now he is 23 and missed his "sophomore" season due to covid which makes him a 23 year old who will be 24 in June and hasn't pitched above rookie ball.

In terms of overall war the Sox are going to lose this big time but I rather have 3.5 war by lynn than 9 war by weems and dunning stretched out over like 10 seasons.

Edited December 8, 20205 yr by Dominikk85

1 minute ago, RagahRagah said:

I firmly believe Lynn is not enough to make this rotation WS caliber, especially with Dallas likely to regress. Hope I'm wrong but stopping here with pitching would be a big mistake.

Last year we played an unbalanced schedule against our own division and the NL central.  Our record against above 500 teams versus below 500 teams doesnt exactly guarentee us a world series shot.  There are a few warts here we need to add to before we can take that next step.  I don't think we are that far off.   But there are holes still to fill. RF? DH?  Especially in the bullpen and still a slot in the rotation.  

There’s a lot of moaning and the groaning this morning.

1 minute ago, maloney.adam said:

There’s a lot of moaning and the groaning this morning.

These posts are useful for upping post count and nothing more.

4 minutes ago, shakes said:

Where does the Sox payroll # sit with Lynn added?

107 million I think

6 minutes ago, shakes said:

Where does the Sox payroll # sit with Lynn added?

If you ask JR, the answer is too high.

Steamer predicts Lynn a 3.2 WAR pitcher with a 4.27 ERA. And Dunning a 2.4 WAR with a 4.54 ERA.

 

Lynn's a good pitcher. I get that. But this is the White Sox settling. Bring in a name that isn't making a ton in leu of making the big splash.

Edited December 8, 20205 yr by Dick Allen

1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

Steamer predicts Lynn a 3.2 WAR pitcher with a 4.27 ERA. And Dinning a 2.4 WAR with a 4.54 ERA.

Lynn will pitch 200 innings, Dunning will pitch 130. I don't buy WAR being that close. 

5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Steamer predicts Lynn a 3.2 WAR pitcher with a 4.27 ERA. And Dunning a 2.4 WAR with a 4.54 ERA.

 

Lynn's a good pitcher. I get that. But this is the White Sox settling. Bring in a name that isn't making a ton in leu of making the big splash.

Who’s the bigger splash besides Bauer?

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Who’s the bigger splash besides Bauer?

Drew Smyly.

One thing that is nice is at the very least I think acquiring lynn guarantees either returning Colome or a big splash in hendriks

 

If we can extend Lynn on a fair deal, I love this trade.   If we can’t, I don’t like it as we’ll be back in the same position next December and I don’t want to keep giving up prospects.

16 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Stone coming on the score to talk about it now

I guess Stoney didn’t see the Passan tweet, because he said “maybe Springer” when going over Sox options for right field.   

This is going to be unpopular but I'm ok being fairly year by year with the backend of our pitching rotation.

1 minute ago, Thad Bosley said:

I guess Stoney didn’t see the Passan tweet, because he said “maybe Springer” when going over Sox options for right field.   

The fact he said Springer is INTERESTING! He has been super adamant about no springer .. until, apparently today

9 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Steamer predicts Lynn a 3.2 WAR pitcher with a 4.27 ERA. And Dunning a 2.4 WAR with a 4.54 ERA.

 

Lynn's a good pitcher. I get that. But this is the White Sox settling. Bring in a name that isn't making a ton in leu of making the big splash.

This really drives it home. If Lynn is worth 3.2 WAR next year, and Dunning is worth 2.4 WAR, the Sox got fleeced, but I've already said that several times.

6 minutes ago, fathom said:

Who’s the bigger splash besides Bauer?

It's Bauer. Sign Bauer. Don't go cheap and give up valuable assets for rentals.

3 minutes ago, Thad Bosley said:

I guess Stoney didn’t see the Passan tweet, because he said “maybe Springer” when going over Sox options for right field.   

I noticed that too, but he also reiterated LHH needed 

47 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Here is what is off the books from their not quite ready team:

EE $12 million

Colome $10.5 million

Herrara $9 million

Cishek $6 million

Mazara $5.5 million

McCann $5.4 million

Gonzalez $5 million

Rodon $4.5 million

Looks like there should be room to add a lot of cash and not too many open roster spots, Yet JR is gonna JR. 

Stay in context what are the increases to the salaries for next year.  Not everyone is making the same as last year that are under contract.  

10 minutes ago, fathom said:

Who’s the bigger splash besides Bauer?

Bauer is the big splash and he only costs you money. Why can't the Sox ever sign the top guy? It's like they never even tried.

2 minutes ago, Dam8610 said:

It's Bauer. Sign Bauer. Don't go cheap and give up valuable assets for rentals.

It's very rare that an owner has a chance to make ONE OBVIOUS MOVE that will establish his team as a bona fide WS contender, and to do so without pushing payroll beyond merely middle-of-the-pack.  JR has that chance here and now.