1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:

Are you sure? everything I've seen is that they're around 118-120M right now. If they're really closer to $110M and the budget is $135-140 that's huge. 

Yeah, they could really finish off the roster nicely for another 25-30m!

18 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

So if we’re sitting at $109M and you believe the following, we’d have between $26M & $31M to work with.  Assume Hendriks takes $13M of that to be conservative and that leaves about $13M to $18M for another SP and positional depth.

If you take the higher end, you can probably add a decent SP & a guy like La Stella and not have to trade to fill holes.  But if you’re on the lower end and/or want a veteran backup catcher, things will quickly become tight.

It’s really going to be a shame if we start trading our limited assets for C tier guys that we should be able to sign for just money.

 

To be honest,  that budget is a little higher than I thought it would be. Also, one of the food guys or NSC tweeted that TLR is the most important executive for the Sox. And Tucker Barnhart must be who Tony wants for backup catcher. 

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1 hour ago, bmags said:

Someone like Austin Romine, who has a bad year last year but is the perfect bet for young pitchers and has shown a competent bat before, is a good match for a deal like that.

I hadn't even thought of him...but not a bad choice.

7 minutes ago, smellysox said:

To be honest,  that budget is a little higher than I thought it would be. Also, one of the food guys or NSC tweeted that TLR is the most important executive for the Sox. And Tucker Barnhart must be who Tony wants for backup catcher. 

The dude is a starter and due to make $7.5m in 2022.  It doesn't smell right.

2 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said:

The dude is a starter and due to make $7.5m in 2022.  It doesn't smell right.

He has a 500k buyout for 2022. Total commitment would be this years salary plus 500k.

5 minutes ago, raBBit said:

He has a 500k buyout for 2022. Total commitment would be this years salary plus 500k.

Oh interesting. Still $4.2m for 2021 but could get Reds to take some of it.  He'd be a damn good backup, for sure! 

Twins interested in Colome

https://mobile.twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/1345427590123823106

50 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

They're not at 109M, they're at 119-120M. 

The 109M does not take into account arbitration salaries, which would be another 10M or so. 

Which means that if they sign Hendriks, they're pretty much done with free agents. 

Seems to be some different takes on current payroll.  I have them at $116M (Gio @ 4, Lopez @ 2, DH filled by Collins, Mercedes, or Vaughn @ .6 , all pre-arbs at .6 and 2 for dead money.  If the final is $140 then you have $24M left for SP, CL, and a better C or DH.  Should be doable unless you want to keep some dry powder for the trade deadline.

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Unless I am missing something (always possible). Below is excerpted from FG Roster  Resource.

Estimated 2021 Payroll:    $119M                 Legend:    FREE AGENT    Club Option    Player Option    Mutual Option    Vesting Option    
Estimated Final 2020 Payroll:    $142M

6 minutes ago, Flash said:

Unless I am missing something (always possible). Below is excerpted from FG Roster  Resource.

Estimated 2021 Payroll:    $119M                 Legend:    FREE AGENT    Club Option    Player Option    Mutual Option    Vesting Option    
Estimated Final 2020 Payroll:    $142M

Because that is probably an AAV / Luxury Tax based estimate, which is not the same thing as a cash-based payroll.

Its actual guaranteed salaries + arb. eligible (EST. $1.95 for Lopez and $3.9 for Giolito) + est. for pre-arb. players ($9.7) 

2 hours ago, zisk said:

Would still rather have Colome. Both guys are free agents with no compensation involved.

Colome has never had a bad year in his career. Hendricks has had many. Not many relief guys are as consistent as Colome.

To me that suggests he has a true out pitch.

I think this post needs more attention. 

No surprise but Stoney confirmed Hendriks is their top choice on the radio today 

15 minutes ago, fathom said:

No surprise but Stoney confirmed Hendriks is their top choice on the radio today 

Yeah he said everything but his name when he was on with Bruce & Spiegs. 

32 minutes ago, fathom said:

No surprise but Stoney confirmed Hendriks is their top choice on the radio today 

Seems like all but a certainty at this point.

11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Seems like all but a certainty at this point.

To be honest, he didn’t seem overly confident they’d get him

I have Sox at 115.4 with Eaton/Marshall updates, and upping the pre arbs up a bit based on some resources showing to save more.

5 minutes ago, bmags said:

I have Sox at 115.4 with Eaton/Marshall updates, and upping the pre arbs up a bit based on some resources showing to save more.

Are you including dead money / buy-outs and allocated signing bonuses?

Just now, Chicago White Sox said:

Are you including dead money / buy-outs and allocated signing bonuses?

Yes to buy outs, no to signing bonuses

17 minutes ago, fathom said:

To be honest, he didn’t seem overly confident they’d get him

Really?  Let’s just hope they don’t trade for a closer if they miss out on Hendriks.  Way too many quality relievers are available for likely reasonable prices.

Whether the Sox hit 118 is going to be down to arb but I find fangraphs has been way over inflated every year but never corrects

1 minute ago, bmags said:

Yes to buy outs, no to signing bonuses

Hmm...that solves part of the gap, but not sure what the remaining difference would be then.  I’m using spotrac for what it’s worth.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/payroll/

135-140m payroll? I want what you're smoking dudes

9 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said:

135-140m payroll? I want what you're smoking dudes

That’s right around what the final number will be. I’m not sure why anyone thinks otherwise 

11 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said:

135-140m payroll? I want what you're smoking dudes

Wasn’t last year at $130M?  If it weren’t for the pandemic, I’d expect us to be $150M+, so it doesn’t really feel all that outlandish.