Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 43 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: It's a little hard to figure out the exact arb numbers because some guys (Lopez) might not be kept, but assuming they keep Giolito, Lopez, Fry, Marshall, Engel, and Fry, they're somewhere in the $125-$130m range in 2022, without Lynn (and without any RF addition). So, keeping Lynn = already at $150 million. And that works for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: It certainly wouldn't be worst than the cubs by any means. Those 3 cubs players are absolute shit stank garbage. The 4 sox players are still very much productive. Time will tell what they will be doing the next three seasons, older players decline by and large, some slowly, some drastically. As far as "shit stank garbage" is concerned, Heyward outperformed the legendary Adam Eaton by an average of 1.35 bWAR every season since 2016 (1.9, 0.9, 0.4, 2.2). Team needs to extend the core, replace the old players as their contracts expire and not commit new money to old players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 53 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Time will tell what they will be doing the next three seasons, older players decline by and large, some slowly, some drastically. As far as "shit stank garbage" is concerned, Heyward outperformed the legendary Adam Eaton by an average of 1.35 bWAR every season since 2016 (1.9, 0.9, 0.4, 2.2). Team needs to extend the core, replace the old players as their contracts expire and not commit new money to old players. Newsflash - Eaton is under contract for 1y/8m, while Heyward is under contract for 3y/72.5m 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, ron883 said: Newsflash - Eaton is under contract for 1y/8m, while Heyward is under contract for 3y/72.5m Don't let facts get in the way of a good hot take. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, ron883 said: Newsflash - Eaton is under contract for 1y/8m, while Heyward is under contract for 3y/72.5m Well, the same could and has been said for Grandal's and Keuchel's deals. Hahn's burner accounts don't acknowledge the dollars committed there, and the subsequent restrictions that lead to horseshit signings, be it Parrot and Mazara last year, or Eaton this year. They money "has been spent", Grandal can't catch, and Keuchel sucked ass his last appearance. That's my point, extend the core, don't commit all of your money to these old guys in decline because you or Tony get a chubby watching guys good several years ago. Edited March 16, 2021 by South Side Hit Men 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Well, the same could and has been said for Grandal's and Keuchel's deals. Hahn's burner accounts don't acknowledge the dollars committed there, and the subsequent restrictions that lead to horseshit signings, be it Parrot and Mazara last year, or Eaton this year. They money "has been spent", Grandal can't catch, and Keuchel sucked ass his last appearance. That's my point, extend the core, don't commit all of your money to these old guys in decline because you or Tony get a chubby watching guys good several years ago. You had a lot of hot takes in just one paragraph.. Kudos to you. Edited March 16, 2021 by Squirmin' for Yermin 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Well, the same could and has been said for Grandal's and Keuchel's deals. Hahn's burner accounts don't acknowledge the dollars committed there, and the subsequent restrictions that lead to horseshit signings, be it Parrot and Mazara last year, or Eaton this year. They money "has been spent", Grandal can't catch, and Keuchel sucked ass his last appearance. That's my point, extend the core, don't commit all of your money to these old guys in decline because you or Tony get a chubby watching guys good several years ago. This post is completely absurd. Keuchel had a 1.99 ERA and was one of only two good starters on the team last year. Grandal was basically the player everyone expected and can actually catch despite what all the McStanns say. I get you hate LaRussa with a passion, but Lance Lynn is a high end pitcher and the Sox wanted him before LaRussa entered the fold. This idea that we can somehow avoid veterans is pure nonsense, it’s simply a part of doing business. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 28 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Well, the same could and has been said for Grandal's and Keuchel's deals. Hahn's burner accounts don't acknowledge the dollars committed there, and the subsequent restrictions that lead to horseshit signings, be it Parrot and Mazara last year, or Eaton this year. They money "has been spent", Grandal can't catch, and Keuchel sucked ass his last appearance. That's my point, extend the core, don't commit all of your money to these old guys in decline because you or Tony get a chubby watching guys good several years ago. You're really bad at this. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: This post is completely absurd. Keuchel had a 1.99 ERA and was one of only two good starters on the team last year. Grandal was basically the player everyone expected and can actually catch despite what all the McStanns say. I get you hate LaRussa with a passion, but Lance Lynn is a high end pitcher and the Sox wanted him before LaRussa entered the fold. This idea that we can somehow avoid veterans is pure nonsense, it’s simply a part of doing business. Nobody is saying completely avoid veterans. Saying you need to commit money to better free agents and the core. One or two complimentary veterans is one thing, committing half of payroll to four guys approaching mid 30s if you extend Lynn is another. You can't expect guys in their mid 30s to produce what they did several years ago and commit half of your payroll to declining old guys. Also, there is no guarantee JR's tightwad ass will spend a single dollar more than the past two seasons. And Keuchel won't be facing this horseshit slate of Central Division only opponents in the future. Keuchel skipped starts at the end of last year and then got shelled in the meaningful game he pitched. Oh yeah, I forgot, it was Ricky's fault. Already declining with three years on his pact if he manages to vest, still hasn't pitched this Spring. Speaking of which Grandal still hasn't squatted behind home this Spring, despite all his Stans crowing how he is a lock to catch 120 games. Edited March 16, 2021 by South Side Hit Men 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 22 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Nobody is saying completely avoid veterans. Saying you need to commit money to better free agents and the core. One or two complimentary veterans is one thing, committing half of payroll to four guys approaching mid 30s if you extend Lynn is another. You can't expect guys in their mid 30s to produce what they did several years ago and commit half of your payroll to declining old guys. Also, there is no guarantee JR's tightwad ass will spend a single dollar more than the past two seasons. And Keuchel won't be facing this horseshit slate of Central Division only opponents in the future. Keuchel skipped starts at the end of last year and then got shelled in the meaningful game he pitched. Oh yeah, I forgot, it was Ricky's fault. Already declining with three years on his pact if he manages to vest, still hasn't pitched this Spring. Speaking of which Grandal still hasn't squatted behind home this Spring, despite all his Stans crowing how he is a lock to catch 120 games. Did you miss your nap time today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 Looks like Al’s Beef has finally read through this thread: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoxBlanco Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Both Beef tweets deleted now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I saw “fans” equal extension in the tweet (pictures). What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Just now, fathom said: I saw “fans” equal extension in the tweet (pictures). What am I missing? The fans were Vornado brand with a big V. Is that Vaughn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Just now, fathom said: I saw “fans” equal extension in the tweet (pictures). What am I missing? The other tweet was Beef quote tweeting himself about the Sox engaging with Vaughn in extension talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, fathom said: I saw “fans” equal extension in the tweet (pictures). What am I missing? To be honest I couldn’t connect the dots, but figured it was somehow related to the Vaughn extension tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: Both Beef tweets deleted now? Apparently based on this tweet. Al’s is the king of the tweet & delete but then acknowledges it for some odd reason. Also, not trying to doubt his connections, but if an extension gets announced this week with Vaughn, it’s Harold and not Al’s Beef who deserves the credit. Al’s been money on a lot of things this offseason, but he has been doubting a Vaughn extension for most of the offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Apparently based on this tweet. Al’s is the king of the tweet & delete but then acknowledges it for some odd reason. Also, not trying to doubt his connections, but if an extension gets announced this week with Vaughn, it’s Harold and not Al’s Beef who deserves the credit. Al’s been money on a lot of things this offseason, but he has been doubting a Vaughn extension for most of the offseason. At least he is giving us something more to talk about. In Al's I trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 They've been very close for almost 2 weeks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: At least he is giving us something more to talk about. In Al's I trust. Oh trust me, I love the discussion, just becoming a bit annoyed with the dude as he claimed he wasn’t in it for the attention and then literally spends hours on end talking about the haters and bragging about everything he had first. This time he didn’t have it first if it does materialize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Pal said: They've been very close for almost 2 weeks. 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Pal said: They've been very close for almost 2 weeks. Pal is my kinda guy. You can confirm Vaughn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Yeah 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Pal said: Yeah Do they have an agreement in place now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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