October 1, 20214 yr lol sorry, I saw it was trending and am enjoying the padres schadenfreude too much. (also if he was traded it confirms my priors during the pursuit that you can always get out of big contracts)
October 1, 20214 yr Well, it would solve our 2b problem. Let me know what the CBA looks like and I'll let you know?
October 1, 20214 yr What would a deal even look like? He's got 2 years until his opt-out (which I doubt he takes) and 5 seasons after that, all at $32m/year. Assuming you take on most or all of that money, what would you even give in return? Padres already have a solid system and really would want a major league ready return to plug other holes, I'd imagine. Would that even be worth it?
October 1, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, almagest said: What would a deal even look like? He's got 2 years until his opt-out (which I doubt he takes) and 5 seasons after that, all at $32m/year. Assuming you take on most or all of that money, what would you even give in return? Padres already have a solid system and really would want a major league ready return to plug other holes, I'd imagine. Would that even be worth it? My guess is, and I'm NOT saying I'd do this, is they'd ask for Crochet or Kopech as main piece.
October 1, 20214 yr No, that cancer is not worth the $$$, prospects it would take to get him, or the headache. He is a 3b/ss by trade and could prolly handle 2b but would he be amenably to playing it...doubtful. Our largest money fix for next year should be replacing Rodon...or Rodon himself.
October 1, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, SoxFan562004 said: My guess is, and I'm NOT saying I'd do this, is they'd ask for Crochet or Kopech as main piece. If you wouldn't do Crochet for Manny straight up as a Sox fan you're on crazy pills. I like Crochet quite a bit, but he's 50/50 at best to ever pitch more than 100 innings in a season. Kopech is a totally different animal he has potential to be a top 10 starter in baseball starting next year.
October 1, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, SoxFan562004 said: My guess is, and I'm NOT saying I'd do this, is they'd ask for Crochet or Kopech as main piece. The Arenado deal was one tolerable big leaguer and 4 minor league pieces, only 1 of whom was in the Cardinals top 10 at the time. A comparable deal for the White Sox would be something like Lopez + one of the international signing guys who had moderate success (Ramos or Rodriguez) and a couple of filler pieces.
October 1, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said: If you wouldn't do Crochet for Manny straight up as a Sox fan you're on crazy pills. I like Crochet quite a bit, but he's 50/50 at best to ever pitch more than 100 innings in a season. Kopech is a totally different animal he has potential to be a top 10 starter in baseball starting next year. I would not do Crochet straight up for him with that contract even after the way they used him this year.
October 1, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: I would not do Crochet straight up for him with that contract even after the way they used him this year. Trading for Manny would signal the Sox are serious about being a top 8 payroll over this next 5 year window so I'd have zero problems with it. There's not many 5 WAR players available.
October 1, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said: Trading for Manny would signal the Sox are serious about being a top 8 payroll over this next 5 year window so I'd have zero problems with it. There's not many 5 WAR players available. I didn't say I wouldn't trade for him (pending the CBA), but I would not give up noticeably more talent for him than the Cardinals gave up for Arenado when Machado makes quite a bit more money.
October 1, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: If you wouldn't do Crochet for Manny straight up as a Sox fan you're on crazy pills. I like Crochet quite a bit, but he's 50/50 at best to ever pitch more than 100 innings in a season. Kopech is a totally different animal he has potential to be a top 10 starter in baseball starting next year. Sure if you were trading in a fantasy league. In Reality, you might not do the trade because Machado is a clubhouse cancer and the sox currently don't need a 3b, or ss. Sure their is no argument that Machado is a better player then crochet.
October 1, 20214 yr I'll give them ReyLo, Yolbert, and Brooks Boyer's consultation on city connect jerseys.
October 1, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, kleedawg said: Sure if you were trading in a fantasy league. In Reality, you might not do the trade because Machado is a clubhouse cancer and the sox currently don't need a 3b, or ss. Sure their is no argument that Machado is a better player then crochet. Manny is not a "clubhouse cancer" in this clubhouse. He'd immediately be under the wings of Jose.
October 1, 20214 yr 22 minutes ago, SoxFan562004 said: My guess is, and I'm NOT saying I'd do this, is they'd ask for Crochet or Kopech as main piece. LOL WHAAAAAA. I think the Padres would hand Machado over for nothing more than salary relief (ie: eating whole remaining contract). And there wouldn't be any takers. Edited October 1, 20214 yr by ChiSox59
October 1, 20214 yr Just now, ChiSox59 said: LOL WHAAAAAA. I think the Padres would hand Machado over for nothing more than salary relief. And there wouldn't be any takers. Ever player is trade-able. Always.
October 1, 20214 yr Just now, chitownsportsfan said: Ever player is trade-able. Always. Yeah, he's for sure tradable. If the acquiring teams is willing to eat most or all his contract. And the Padres would gladly oblige. I was all for Manny. I'd still take him for sure, if the Padres pro-rated his deal by about 40%.
October 1, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: LOL WHAAAAAA. I think the Padres would hand Machado over for nothing more than salary relief (ie: eating whole remaining contract). And there wouldn't be any takers. What the Rockies got for Arenado is basically the best the Padres can hope for in return for Machado. They also had to eat $50 million to get that return, so you're probably right.
October 1, 20214 yr Just now, ChiSox59 said: Yeah, he's for sure tradable. If the acquiring teams is willing to eat most or all his contract. And the Padres would gladly oblige. I was all for Manny. I'd still take him for sure, if the Padres pro-rated his deal by about 40%. How much cash do you need to eat for the Rockstar GM to throw in a prospect / what caliber?
October 1, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Quin said: How much cash do you need to eat for the Rockstar GM to throw in a prospect / what caliber? They wanted to throw in Robert Hassell to get rid of Hosmer, FWIW.
October 1, 20214 yr Machado's best years of that contract, the first three, are now behind him. He is only being traded as a salary dump. Harper seems better and it is staggering how the Phillies cannot win.
October 1, 20214 yr I would trade Yermin for him if the Padres pick up majority of the money on his contract. Muuuuuuuhahahahahha
October 1, 20214 yr 17 minutes ago, chw42 said: What the Rockies got for Arenado is basically the best the Padres can hope for in return for Machado. They also had to eat $50 million to get that return, so you're probably right. Yeppp. Machado has 0 surplus value. Which is generally the case when star players sign mega contracts. Its just the way it works. Truth be told, Machado would have been super neat a few years ago. But the ship has sailed. Even if the Padres were willing to eat 1/3 of his remaining deal for nothing more than back-end 40 man types, I don't even know if its wroth it. Just sign a RF and 2B with the money (realistically, quite a bit less) and ball out the next 3-4 years with the best roster in the game. Edited October 1, 20214 yr by ChiSox59
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