ChiSox59 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 17 minutes ago, pcq said: Nobody wants Leury. The Sox were fools. Guarantee you Leury will spend vast majority of the season in the big leagues if Sox were to DFA him. No one will claim due to the $ but he’ll become a FA a week or so later and be back on a big league roster quickly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Sheets Zavala Romy Haseley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Guarantee you Leury will spend vast majority of the season in the big leagues if Sox were to DFA him. No one will claim due to the $ but he’ll become a FA a week or so later and be back on a big league roster quickly. For league minimum he’s the perfect two week replacement for a team that needs a backup while someone is hurt. He’ll be one of those guys that bounces around a team or two I bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 13 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: For league minimum he’s the perfect two week replacement for a team that needs a backup while someone is hurt. He’ll be one of those guys that bounces around a team or two I bet. Yeah he’ll end up as a league minimum bench player for like, Cincy or Pittsburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 15 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah he’ll end up as a league minimum bench player for like, Cincy or Pittsburgh. A rebuilding NL club wanting a vet “presence” makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Before last year, Leury at least earned his way contract-wise. I really think he gets more rope because none of the outfield candidates earned their way. Leury on average has actually out produced Moncada cumulatively in 2017 18 20 and 22 and can play everywhere. And he's going to pick up a lot of steals, which will suddenly be at a premium again. Leury may have "earned" himself another contract from the Sox with his play in 2021 (a career year for him essentially), but what he was given (3/15.5M) is/was a definite overpay and shouldn't have happened. Both can be true in this case. Quote Keuchel was clearly toast. Same with Keppinger and Ranks after the injuries. Why couldn't Leury be toast after his injuries though? He's a dude on the wrong side of 30 now after all. Quote You can't make the same argument that a Romy Gonzalez will light the world on fire in his stead. Leury has only been above league average with the bat one time in ten major league seasons, so it's not as if that bar was set all that high to begin with. But I also don't really understand the meaning of this, however I do think Romy could offer Leury levels of output at the major league level for league minimum if that's what you're asking. Quote Leury on average has actually out produced Moncada cumulatively in 2017 18 20 and 22 and can play everywhere. And he's going to pick up a lot of steals, which will suddenly be at a premium again. Out produced Moncada how and in what ways? A quick glance would indicate that Moncada has been a better hitter (wRC+) than Leury in all of his major league seasons with the lone exception of 2020, where Leury only played in 16 games and Moncada appeared to be quite afflicited by COVID. Moncada wRC+ 2017-2022: 105 (54 games/231 PA), 97 (149 games/650 PA), 139 (132 games/559 PA), 94 (52 games/231 PA), 120 (144 games/616 PA), 76 (104 games/433 PA) Leury wRC+ 2017-2022: 98 (87 games/326 PA), 86 (82 games/275 PA), 82 (140 games/618 PA), 106 (16 games/63 PA), 97 (126 games/474 PA), 39 (97 games/315 PA) For his career, Leury is an even 0 in OAA when combined across all positions played dating back to 2016, so he seems to offer generally average defense with a below average bat whereas Moncada offers above average defense at third (he was pretty terrible at second) and avg/to slightly above avg offense at the plate. Leury's sprint speed ranking has also been declining since 2019 (2020 season notwithstanding), speed doesn't tend to stick with you as you get older, and it appears it may be escaping Leury as well. Quote Alberto will do the same thing on the infield. It seems as if Alberto has played his way onto the team, Pedro seems to dig him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Kinda want to keep Avila in the org if we can work something out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CWSpalehoseCWS Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said: Kinda want to keep Avila in the org if we can work something out. Assuming the Sox go with 13 pitchers, I guess that means Gregory Santos made the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tnetennba Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 minute ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Assuming the Sox go with 13 pitchers, I guess that means Gregory Santos made the team. Santos has been really solid this spring so that would make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Tnetennba said: Santos has been really solid this spring so that would make sense. He definitely has. I loved the pickup at the time. Has a chance to be a steal considering what was given up for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 16 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said: Leury may have "earned" himself another contract from the Sox with his play in 2021 (a career year for him essentially), but what he was given (3/15.5M) is/was a definite overpay and shouldn't have happened. Both can be true in this case. Why couldn't Leury be toast after his injuries though? He's a dude on the wrong side of 30 now after all. Leury has only been above league average with the bat one time in ten major league seasons, so it's not as if that bar was set all that high to begin with. But I also don't really understand the meaning of this, however I do think Romy could offer Leury levels of output at the major league level for league minimum if that's what you're asking. Out produced Moncada how and in what ways? A quick glance would indicate that Moncada has been a better hitter (wRC+) than Leury in all of his major league seasons with the lone exception of 2020, where Leury only played in 16 games and Moncada appeared to be quite afflicited by COVID. Moncada wRC+ 2017-2022: 105 (54 games/231 PA), 97 (149 games/650 PA), 139 (132 games/559 PA), 94 (52 games/231 PA), 120 (144 games/616 PA), 76 (104 games/433 PA) Leury wRC+ 2017-2022: 98 (87 games/326 PA), 86 (82 games/275 PA), 82 (140 games/618 PA), 106 (16 games/63 PA), 97 (126 games/474 PA), 39 (97 games/315 PA) For his career, Leury is an even 0 in OAA when combined across all positions played dating back to 2016, so he seems to offer generally average defense with a below average bat whereas Moncada offers above average defense at third (he was pretty terrible at second) and avg/to slightly above avg offense at the plate. Leury's sprint speed ranking has also been declining since 2019 (2020 season notwithstanding), speed doesn't tend to stick with you as you get older, and it appears it may be escaping Leury as well. It seems as if Alberto has played his way onto the team, Pedro seems to dig him. Leury from 2017 through 2021. 5.7 fWAR, through 2022, 4.6 fWAR. Moncada 2017 2018 2020 2023=4.3 fWAR Obviously that leaves out Moncada’s two best seasons, but it shouldn’t even be comparable for a former #1 prospect in all of baseball versus a fringey top 10-15 prospect on the Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Middleton was the only other possibility… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Timmy U Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Avila just didn't show enough to justify the roster spot. With so many guys out of options, he Sox need to have guys like Santos, Lambert, Banks, German, etc. that they can cycle through during periods of heavy use/injury. Avila would be another guy who essentially is without options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago White Sox Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Colas has officially made the Opening Day roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tony Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 47 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Leury from 2017 through 2021. 5.7 fWAR, through 2022, 4.6 fWAR. Moncada 2017 2018 2020 2023=4.3 fWAR Obviously that leaves out Moncada’s two best seasons, but it shouldn’t even be comparable for a former #1 prospect in all of baseball versus a fringey top 10-15 prospect on the Rangers. It’s not comparable. You took out the two best seasons for Moncada to prove some sort of point in your head. Let’s have an argument about who the better player is, Judge or Ohanti, but take out all of the pitching stats for Ohanti, just focus on hitting, because….why would you ever do that? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 58 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said: Kinda want to keep Avila in the org if we can work something out. Also hope Shaw goes to AAA. He could be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: Also hope Shaw goes to AAA. He could be useful. Kept reading. Too bad she’s going to be released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 18 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Guarantee you Leury will spend vast majority of the season in the big leagues if Sox were to DFA him. No one will claim due to the $ but he’ll become a FA a week or so later and be back on a big league roster quickly. Good for him. As long as it’s not the Sox I’m good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sleepy Harold Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Leury from 2017 through 2021. 5.7 fWAR, through 2022, 4.6 fWAR. Moncada 2017 2018 2020 2023=4.3 fWAR Obviously that leaves out Moncada’s two best seasons, but it shouldn’t even be comparable for a former #1 prospect in all of baseball versus a fringey top 10-15 prospect on the Rangers. Lol holy cherry picking there batman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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