WhiteSox2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Sports Guy said: The claims are obvious…do you really think if Getz was getting top 25 prospects thrown at him that he would be sitting around and not moving Cease? I have no clue what names have truly been discussed and neither do you. Period. Edited December 28, 2023 by WhiteSox2023 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rey21 said: Could we be overvaluaing Dylan Cease, sure 100% but the Sox hold all the cards here, it’s not like he is making $30 mil next year and are trying to dump salary, I guarantee you most if not all teams would happily slot in a dude for the next 2 years, making a measly $10 mil max, has made 30+ starts each of the last 3 seasons, with Cy Young potential for prospects. It’s about finding a deal that makes sense for Chris Getz, if it’s not out there then so be it, last thing he’s gonna do though is settle for a lackluster return (Cowser & Ortiz) You don’t hold all the cards because you have an expiring asset that you can’t afford to keep on a garbage team going nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 The Orioles won’t include Mayo or Basallo in a Cease trade. They have to headline with one of Cowser/Kjerstad though with Norby/Ortiz as a 2nd piece. Then the rest could be a pitcher (Povich) and maybe like Max Wagner. If Orioles aren’t willing to do that, they likely aren’t getting Cease. If Sox realistically want more than that, I doubt anyone acquires him. 7 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said: The Orioles won’t include Mayo or Basallo in a Cease trade. They have to headline with one of Cowser/Kjerstad though with Norby/Ortiz as a 2nd piece. Then the rest could be a pitcher (Povich) and maybe like Max Wagner. If Orioles aren’t willing to do that, they likely aren’t getting Cease. If Sox realistically want more than that, I doubt anyone acquires him. This is correct although I’m not convinced a third player has to be involved. Edited December 28, 2023 by Sports Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: I’m assuming the elite guys will pan out. Everything about their profiles says that is the case. And I’m good with teams doing that. Lots of teams do incredibly stupid things all the time. I’m not interested in my team doing moronic things. And btw, you guys assume Cease is going to bounce back and be really good again..that’s a major assumption. Us Sox fans have one of these can’t miss “elite -6 war type guys”... Yoan Moncada 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: You don’t hold all the cards because you have an expiring asset that you can’t afford to keep on a garbage team going nowhere. He has 2 years left. What are you talking about expiring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 28, 2023 Author Share Posted December 28, 2023 40 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: Zero Os fans have their top 5 guys as untouchable. Cease was a frontline guy one year of his career. You seem to think his value should be that right now and that’s just not true. If you guys were looking to trade for Cease with all his red flags and issues, no one here would be advocating to trade top 25 prospects for him. All of that said, the WS have generally showed more of a willingness to spend money than our POS owner has, so that always factors into things. Roll Tide doesn’t? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I assume you are referring to the first Soto trade from the Nationals to the Padres? Soto only had 2 years of control at the time. Robert has 4 years of control. Big difference. 14 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said: One year of Soto vs 4 years of Robert. It was 2.5 years of Soto. It is the best trade comp you’ll find given 2.5 is a lot of control for a star player and Soto was a much more consistently dominant player. No team will ever trade a package like that for any one player. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Just now, Nardiwashere said: He has 2 years left. What are you talking about expiring? The number of playoff appearances he can make for acquiring club and/or his health blows up if you hold onto him into June/July...doomsday scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Nardiwashere said: He has 2 years left. What are you talking about expiring? Expiring in terms of value. Like I said, I do think his value could increase if he has a big first half and is dealt at the deadline but that’s a risk and if he doesn’t have a big first half, he’s worth even less. So, the time to optimize his value is definitely expiring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: Burnes, Cease, Luzardo… to a lesser extent younger unproven, high ceiling guys and Bieber although where he is in a rotation is definitely up for debate. The latest rumor is that the Brewers will keep Burnes. https://theathletic.com/5154981/2023/12/21/brewers-corbin-burnes-braves-trades-the-windup/?source=emp_shared_article Even if the Brewers do trade Burnes, he is a free agent after 2024. Good luck resigning him on the open market, Orioles. No chance in hell. Luzardo has 3 years of control left so if you are aghast at the prospect price Sox fans are discussing for Cease, good luck with Luzardo. Edited December 28, 2023 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Roll Tide doesn’t? He doesn’t count. 🤣 In all seriousness, I think he would deal those guys in the right deal..he just doesn’t like Cease. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said: The latest rumor is that the Brewers will keep Burnes. https://theathletic.com/5154981/2023/12/21/brewers-corbin-burnes-braves-trades-the-windup/?source=emp_shared_article Even if the Braves to trade Burnes, he is a free agent after 2024. Good luck resigning him on the open market, Orioles. Luzardo has 3 years of control left so if you are aghast at the prospect price Sox fans are discussing for Cease, good luck with Luzardo. We don’t need Burnes beyond a year and even if he wanted to sign an extension, I wouldn’t give him one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, bmags said: No team will ever trade a package like that for any one player. Ever. That’s what I meant by saying he’s too expensive. No one is going to give you enough to make it worth it. The package you get for Robert with 4 years left won’t be different from the package you get for him with 2 years left. Now… if he had like 8 years left, MAYBE we could do straight up for Basallo. Edited December 28, 2023 by Nardiwashere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: We don’t need Burnes beyond a year and even if he wanted to sign an extension, I wouldn’t give him one. Why not? Because every young Orioles starter and/or pitching prospect will hit? Good luck with that. It’s just not realistic for any team. Edited December 28, 2023 by WhiteSox2023 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: This is correct although I’m not convinced a third player has to be involved. I think it’ll be a 4 player package with anyone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said: I think it’ll be a 4 player package with anyone “In that case it’s not gonna be any top 10 prospects” 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Why not? Because every young Orioles starter and/or pitching prospect will hit? Good luck with that. It’s just not realistic for any team. No because I just don’t care if we have him for more than a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Us Sox fans have one of these can’t miss “elite -6 war type guys”... Yoan Moncada Exactly. Say hello to Moncada, Kopech, and Eloy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 I don’t understand why there isn’t more talk of a 3 way trade. Those are obviously fairly uncommon, but it doesn’t seem that difficult to include a third team that has pitching prospects. That way the Sox can get a nice blend of both pitching and hitting, the Orioles get Cease, and the third team gets whatever they are looking for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: I don’t understand why there isn’t more talk of a 3 way trade. Those are obviously fairly uncommon, but it doesn’t seem that difficult to include a third team that has pitching prospects. That way the Sox can get a nice blend of both pitching and hitting, the Orioles get Cease, and the third team gets whatever they are looking for. If the Sox had another player worth a damn in a trade, like if Eloy was coming off of a big offensive season, I could see this being more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Just now, WhiteSox2023 said: If the Sox had another player worth a damn in a trade, like if Eloy was coming off of a big offensive season, I could see this being more likely. I still think it is possible. The third team would likely need to have pitching prospects and need hitting. That way they can send a pitcher to the Sox and maybe the Orioles can send a hitter to them. Teams like the Mariners, Marlins, Giants might fit into this category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The Orioles won’t include Mayo or Basallo in a Cease trade. They have to headline with one of Cowser/Kjerstad though with Norby/Ortiz as a 2nd piece. Then the rest could be a pitcher (Povich) and maybe like Max Wagner. If Orioles aren’t willing to do that, they likely aren’t getting Cease. If Sox realistically want more than that, I doubt anyone acquires him. I think this is reasonable, because there is some redundancy in the players and prospects the Orioles have and the prospects they would be giving up for Cease. Edited December 28, 2023 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: I don’t understand why there isn’t more talk of a 3 way trade. Those are obviously fairly uncommon, but it doesn’t seem that difficult to include a third team that has pitching prospects. That way the Sox can get a nice blend of both pitching and hitting, the Orioles get Cease, and the third team gets whatever they are looking for. How many teams have too many pitching prospects? How many teams look at their pitching staffs and think “oh these two prospects are blocked that means they’re movable”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 19 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The Orioles won’t include Mayo or Basallo in a Cease trade. They have to headline with one of Cowser/Kjerstad though with Norby/Ortiz as a 2nd piece. Then the rest could be a pitcher (Povich) and maybe like Max Wagner. If Orioles aren’t willing to do that, they likely aren’t getting Cease. If Sox realistically want more than that, I doubt anyone acquires him. And honestly about 95% of us here would be more than fine with that 3 person package and if that's the three any fourth piece is gravy. This is where it's going to end up, so BAL either should get on board or stop playing games. Neither BAL, CIN, ATL, NYY or BOS is likely to end up with Snell or Montgomery so Elias trying to "wait us out" is a nonsensical strategy. Cease will be in high demand even after those signings so BAL isn't exactly our only dance partner. Elias needs to s%*# or get off the pot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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