Chicago White Sox Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 6 minutes ago, Frobby said: I’m curious why you say that. Last year, as starters, that group made 68 starts, threw 362 innings (5.32 per start) and had a 4.10 ERA. Meanwhile, the league’s starters as a whole averaged 5.14 innings per start and a 4.45 ERA. So, ignoring our top two starters, these other guys were better than the league average. Sounds pretty decent to me. Now, @Chicago White Sox said they’d need to cover 90 starts, and as I mentioned, last year that group only started 68 games. But, that’s partly because John Means was returning from TJ surgery and only made 4 starts at year end (to a 2.66 ERA). Irvin is capable of starting more, and Hall is capable of chipping in, having the highest ceiling in the group. So no, I don’t consider that to be “rough” for the 3-5 slots. But an addition like Cease obviously would be of benefit (even though Means, Wells and Kremer all had a significantly better ERA than Cease last year). Again, ERA is heavily influenced by your ballpark, your defense, and even the ability of your bullpen to strand runners. Put these dudes on the 2023 White Sox and their ERAs would immediately sky rocket. Kremer’s xERA last year was 4.96, Irvin’s was 5.77, and Means was 4.73 (SSS obviously). Wells’ was 4.04 but with an 83% LOB rate which doesn’t seem sustainable. Nothing about this crew screams championship caliber rotation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Demon Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 To all those who use Trade simulator website, Dylan Cease for Yennier Cano, Cole Irvin, Mike Baumann, Bryan Baker and Dean Kremer is a slight overpay for the Orioles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 4 hours ago, DirtySox said: So I'm moving to Norfolk in March. Am I close enough to be an Orioles fan next season? Lord knows the White Sox will be unwatchable unless I'm in a self hating mood. The Griffey Jr Mariners were my 2nd fave growing up, and I re-adopted the M's after watching the Sox home opener in person. Distance matters not, find your baseball bliss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Snowy Demon said: To all those who use Trade simulator website, Dylan Cease for Yennier Cano, Cole Irvin, Mike Baumann, Bryan Baker and Dean Kremer is a slight overpay for the Orioles. The site is garbage and no one should be using it. It also said Andrew Vaughn for Mookie Betts is fair last season lol Edited January 4 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 16 minutes ago, fathom said: James had a tweet with a hypothetical deal to Yankees for Jones and pitching His own speculation or something he’s heard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Demon Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Just now, Bob Sacamano said: The site is garbage and no one should be using it. He it also said Andrew Vaughn for Mookie Betts is fair last season lol I know. I am saying how useless that site really is. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: Right now, the thought is there is no need for him to be a starter. But if they don’t acquire anyone, they may. Elias has consistently said he thinks Hall is a starter. Which virtually all GMs will do when discussing their pitching trove of treasures...Getz will be talking about Kopech once again. Edited January 4 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 5 minutes ago, Snowy Demon said: To all those who use Trade simulator website, Dylan Cease for Yennier Cano, Cole Irvin, Mike Baumann, Bryan Baker and Dean Kremer is a slight overpay for the Orioles. I’m afraid you already missed the deal the two boards agreed upon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m afraid you already missed the deal the two boards agreed upon What 2 boards agreed on this. OH certainty didn’t. That’s laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: What 2 boards agreed on this. OH certainty didn’t. That’s laughable. He’s kidding 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I'm not catching up, just posting my new proposal Dylan Cease NFL #1 overall draft pick Zach LaVine (Wizards relocate to Baltimore, not Virginia as part of the agreement) For Jackson Holliday Baltimore's Marching Ravens Atlantic trading rights 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Interesting that James mentioned the Mariners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: What 2 boards agreed on this. OH certainty didn’t. That’s laughable. I believe that Dystopia guy agreed to the trade on behalf of The Hangout…no backing out now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: I believe that Dystopia guy agreed to the trade on behalf of The Hangout…no backing out now! That guy wouldn’t trade Kjerstad straight up for Cease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 minute ago, DirtySox said: Interesting that James mentioned the Mariners. @Y2Jimmy0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I really like the mariners prospects for a deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 10 minutes ago, Snowy Demon said: To all those who use Trade simulator website, Dylan Cease for Yennier Cano, Cole Irvin, Mike Baumann, Bryan Baker and Dean Kremer is a slight overpay for the Orioles. Over the years it seems the team receiving the most players loses the trade in hindsight. I'll take quality over quantity every time. These 5 for 1 deals make me cringe. I want the two best players Getz can get...and one of them should be starting in right field for the 2024 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 1 minute ago, DirtySox said: Interesting that James mentioned the Mariners. Listened to this podcast earlier today. I like the CHGO crew but I think Sean’s list was pretty off. Yankees were like 10th or 11th. The Red Sox & Giants were both pretty low. I still don’t get the Mariners fit, but the more the merrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 The Mariners aren’t realistic imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 1 minute ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I really like the mariners prospects for a deal What you thinking? I guess I just don’t get the why for them when they desperately need some offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Harry Ford, Cole Young, and Colt Emerson are all interesting. Not much pitching in sight in that system though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: You're more than welcome to go back to your own board if you don't want to continue discussing the same thing in circles with a side that is "wrong" I appreciated the insight at first, but when it became 'anyone that disagrees is wrong', the act wore thin pretty quickly. Talk about wearing out your welcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: The Mariners aren’t realistic imo. They have an aggressive GM who’s always dealing. I wouldn’t be shocked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 minutes ago, DirtySox said: Harry Ford, Cole Young, and Colt Emerson are all interesting. Not much pitching in sight in that system though. They are loaded with pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 7 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: The Mariners aren’t realistic imo. Why? They’ve got the prospects to get it done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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