BamaDoc Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 7 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: I genuinely cannot remember the last high end Sox prospect with elite OBP skills. I will take one guy who needs to be a little more aggressive over the dozens who swing way too much. All the way back to Frank Thomas and Robin Ventura? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 8 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: I genuinely cannot remember the last high end Sox prospect with elite OBP skills. I will take one guy who needs to be a little more aggressive over the dozens who swing way too much. Yoan for sure 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 6 minutes ago, fathom said: Yoan for sure But remember, despite spending 80 games with them in the minors, the team had no chance to work him on his swing and miss issues. Or his rookie year. It's all him. Absolutely all his fault, not the Sox development team. Because he made one music video and is jacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 10 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: I genuinely cannot remember the last high end Sox prospect with elite OBP skills. I will take one guy who needs to be a little more aggressive over the dozens who swing way too much. Moncada and Semien 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Monica’s first year he like took the record for most Ks looking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 13 hours ago, baseball_gal_aly said: Moncada walked a lot as a prospect. Remember 2018? All of the Ks looking? Moncada was consistently running higher strikeout rates than Montgomery has in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Moncada and Semien Semien is probably the best comp of walk rate/strikeout rate/age plus both guys were middle infielders with questionable defensive futures. But somehow prospect analysis was at a point in 2013 where a 22 year old putting up a 167 wRC+ in AA wasn't on top 100 prospect lists, lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) 13 hours ago, baseball_gal_aly said: Moncada walked a lot as a prospect. Remember 2018? All of the Ks looking? I've (literally?) been Moncada's biggest supporter on this forum over the years but he still had a massive strikeout rate issue as a prospect. He had a 31% K rate in AA his last year in Bostons org and was pushing 30% again after the Sale trade when he was down in Charlotte. These *16 games* are the first time we've ever seen any indication Colson being overly patient might be an issue in his game. Edited April 18 by maxjusttyped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) I'm glad Max is posting again. Edited April 18 by DirtySox 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 3 hours ago, bmags said: Monica’s first year he like took the record for most Ks looking The Boy is Mine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 2 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: Semien is probably the best comp of walk rate/strikeout rate/age plus both guys were middle infielders with questionable defensive futures. But somehow prospect analysis was at a point in 2013 where a 22 year old putting up a 167 wRC+ in AA wasn't on top 100 prospect lists, lol. Because he wasn't a high first round draft pick and they only envisioned him as a utility guy/spark plug off the bench. Nobody would have predicted the SB numbers at the mlb level yet, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Because he wasn't a high first round draft pick and they only envisioned him as a utility guy/spark plug off the bench. Nobody would have predicted the SB numbers at the mlb level yet, either. That's not really true. Everyone knew the bat was legit, but a lot of people thought he would have to move to 2nd to make room for TA and liked Micah Johnson more. A lot of us hated that trade as soon as it happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 3 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: That's not really true. Everyone knew the bat was legit, but a lot of people thought he would have to move to 2nd to make room for TA and liked Micah Johnson more. A lot of us hated that trade as soon as it happened. Then they should have played him at third. And they didn't give Johnson more than 2-3 months of consistent starts at the big league level either. 5th round picks always have a much higher level of doubters/skepticism from the scouts to overcome those industry biases towards the first rounders and consensus MiLB Top 75 guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Then they should have played him at third. And they didn't give Johnson more than 2-3 months of consistent starts at the big league level either. 5th round picks always have a much higher level of doubters/skepticism from the scouts to overcome those industry biases towards the first rounders and consensus MiLB Top 75 guys. He was blocked at 3rd by Beckham and Matt Davidson. The issue wasn't failing to identify Semien. The issue was trading him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 30 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: He was blocked at 3rd by Beckham and Matt Davidson. The issue wasn't failing to identify Semien. The issue was trading him. IIRC Keith Law loved him, thought he his bat would play easily anywhere at 3B, SS, 2B but the Sox wanted him at SS and he was horrible there and they traded him before he was a fully developed MLB player. It was an awful trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, TaylorStSox said: He was blocked at 3rd by Beckham and Matt Davidson. The issue wasn't failing to identify Semien. The issue was trading him. Have you looked at Beckham's OPS numbers since his rookie season? He wouldn't even be considered a good hitter on the 2024 Sox team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Have you looked at Beckham's OPS numbers since his rookie season? He wouldn't even be considered a good hitter on the 2024 Sox team. I have. Beckham was a bad player that remained a fan favorite and was given way too long of a leash. I'm not saying the Sox should have kept Beckham. I'm saying the narrative you invented about Semien was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 22 hours ago, baseball_gal_aly said: Half a season. He did not do well enough in Birmingham to earn a promotion IMO. He should still be there. Great another rushed prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, TaylorStSox said: I have. Beckham was a bad player that remained a fan favorite and was given way too long of a leash. I'm not saying the Sox should have kept Beckham. I'm saying the narrative you invented about Semien was wrong. https://theathletic.com/1075513/2019/07/14/marcus-semien-reflects-on-the-trade-that-sent-him-to-oakland-and-andrew-vaughns-future-with-the-white-sox/ He was the #4 prospect for the White Sox (Erik Johnson was somehow first) but never was considered a consensus Top 75 MiLB prospect. Scouting Grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 45 | Run: 50 | Arm: 50 | Field: 50 | Overall: 50 Semien has been a revelation since signing as a sixth-round pick in 2011. After totaling 10 home runs in three college seasons at California, he has gone deep 35 times in his two full pro seasons. Two of those long balls came during Semien's first big league callup last September. Semien is more of a tablesetter than a slugger, though, and he led the Minor Leagues with 110 runs in 2013. He controls the strike zone well and repeatedly barrels balls with his compact stroke. Semien enhances his average speed with good instincts on the bases. Drafted as a shortstop, Semien played a lot of second base last year and mostly third base while with Chicago. He profiles best as a second baseman, offensively and defensively, but he has the savvy to get the job done at shortstop. Semien has nothing left to prove in the Minors and only needs to have the White Sox clear a spot for him in their lineup. mlb.com Maybe Davidson had the higher profile because he was always a highly-touted prospect (up to that point), but he had already lost some of his shine from disappointing results with the Diamondbacks, especially the the high strikeout numbers, and he was also older by that point in time. There were also questions about his defense. Pretty much everything was uncertain except for his flowing locks of hair. Edited April 19 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 4 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: Semien is probably the best comp of walk rate/strikeout rate/age plus both guys were middle infielders with questionable defensive futures. But somehow prospect analysis was at a point in 2013 where a 22 year old putting up a 167 wRC+ in AA wasn't on top 100 prospect lists, lol. Semien’s AA season was insane offensively…only if we could have developed his defense some maybe we would have kept him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 On 4/18/2024 at 9:04 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Semien’s AA season was insane offensively…only if we could have developed his defense some maybe we would have kept him. Sox wanted The Shark. Oakland asked for a lot and got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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