10 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Of course the wild card in everything moving forward is how long JR owns the club. The 'rebuild" could be even longer if new ownership arrives, fires everyone and literally has to start from scratch. 

This is an entire, scrape-the-rotting-edifice-off-the-earth, complete and total tear down. If you listen to the latest BA podcast on AL Central organizations, the Sox are pretty much considered the worst org in baseball with a farm system bereft of positional talent. They basically say the only possible impact bat is Wolkow, but the odds against him are pretty high. If Getz sets up a new international regime and improves instruction, that will help subsequent teams regardless of the owner. To get this org to average is going to take a long time regardless of the ownership structure.

35 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

This is an entire, scrape-the-rotting-edifice-off-the-earth, complete and total tear down. If you listen to the latest BA podcast on AL Central organizations, the Sox are pretty much considered the worst org in baseball with a farm system bereft of positional talent. They basically say the only possible impact bat is Wolkow, but the odds against him are pretty high. If Getz sets up a new international regime and improves instruction, that will help subsequent teams regardless of the owner. To get this org to average is going to take a long time regardless of the ownership structure.

If they go out and fix their LatAm operations right now, it will take years before we start seeing any fruits from it.  100% needs to happen, but to your point it’s going to take a long to right this ship.  I will say that adding a Director of Hitting and enhancing our general approach to hitting development could have a much quicker payoff, but that’s also much more challenging to execute.  And that still doesn’t address the lack of high ceiling positional talent in the system.  But when your drafts generally lean heavy pitching and you don’t have a LA pipeline worth a damn, it shouldn’t be surprising we have few of those players.

Greenberg with some interesting information:

"He made scores of mistakes — strategic, interpersonal and inspirational. He was Baseball Jim Boylen, which is a uniquely Reinsdorfian, Chicago sobriquet to describe a coach. To put it in purely South Side terms, Grifol was the worst Sox manager since Terry Bevington.

This year, it was no secret to those around the team, or the game, that Getz wasn’t enamored with his manager. 

Behind closed doors, the two sparred during the season over player usage, a disconnect that was understandable. Getz’s focus was keeping guys healthy for the trade deadline. Grifol was trying to win games to save his job and his reputation."

1 minute ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Greenberg with some interesting information:

"He made scores of mistakes — strategic, interpersonal and inspirational. He was Baseball Jim Boylen, which is a uniquely Reinsdorfian, Chicago sobriquet to describe a coach. To put it in purely South Side terms, Grifol was the worst Sox manager since Terry Bevington.

This year, it was no secret to those around the team, or the game, that Getz wasn’t enamored with his manager. 

Behind closed doors, the two sparred during the season over player usage, a disconnect that was understandable. Getz’s focus was keeping guys healthy for the trade deadline. Grifol was trying to win games to save his job and his reputation."

Wonder what guy was the main fight over player usage?

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Greenberg with some interesting information:

"He made scores of mistakes — strategic, interpersonal and inspirational. He was Baseball Jim Boylen, which is a uniquely Reinsdorfian, Chicago sobriquet to describe a coach. To put it in purely South Side terms, Grifol was the worst Sox manager since Terry Bevington.

This year, it was no secret to those around the team, or the game, that Getz wasn’t enamored with his manager. 

Behind closed doors, the two sparred during the season over player usage, a disconnect that was understandable. Getz’s focus was keeping guys healthy for the trade deadline. Grifol was trying to win games to save his job and his reputation."

It's almost like Jerry wouldn't let Getz hire his own manager. 

Just heard the news about Grifol being fired as we were on a cruise, hallelujah but there is so much more that has to be done, it won’t happen but JR needs to sell and the new owners would have a monumental job of cleaning up this mess. 

https://awfulannouncing.com/mlb/ozzie-guillen-white-sox-manager-confirms-call-fine.html

Can we fire Tony instead?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/08/08/chicago-white-sox-jerry-reinsdorf/

 

he Marlins could not sustain a winning culture after earning a wild-card spot in Schumaker’s first season, but most observers blame that on the failure of Miami’s dysfunctional front office — not the manager.

With the La Russa stamp of approval, he likely will be the odds-on favorite assuming he wants the job and Reinsdorf signs off on a long-term deal.

Why anyone besides Schumaker would even want the Sox job is another matter. It comes with a built-in “consultant” who has forgotten more about baseball than you’ll ever know. Just ask him.

How many teams would allow a former manager who presided over the bitter end of a once-promising rebuild to return and hang around the clubhouse as a consultant, going on road trips and hovering over the manager at the batting cage to offer free “advice” while in street clothes?

The Sox pretend this is just a normal business practice. One friend of Reinsdorf said the chairman was only helping an elderly friend stay occupied in his golden years after a health scare that forced La Russa from the dugout in 2022. Swell guy!

Fire the manager? Check. Trade the stars? Check. Rebuild the farm system? Check.

But nothing will change for Sox fans until Reinsdorf and his old boys system are gone. If a La Russa-Schumaker tandem is in place next spring training, it’s going to be business as usual. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

57 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Can we fire Tony instead?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/08/08/chicago-white-sox-jerry-reinsdorf/

 

 

 

My God they just cannot get out of their own way.

3 minutes ago, ScootsMcGoots said:

My God they just cannot get out of their own way.

Can we get back the LaRoche kid instead?  Probably more useful.

On 8/8/2024 at 9:09 AM, DFAthewave69420 said:

Watch the Sox play loose tomorrow and put up 10 runs lol

Well they are certainly playing loose...

Oh hey Chris Getz, this might be the time to be looking outside of the organization...

 

NO really Chris.

 

Are you there Chris?  It's me southsider2k5

 

49 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

NO really Chris.

 

Have we just found Marco Paddy's replacement?

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

Oh hey Chris Getz, this might be the time to be looking outside of the organization...

 

... I'll take them all here. Or at least half of them.

James had been suggesting picking up Oz Ocampo most of yesterday. Unsure if he had inside knowledge or just that anything would be better than Paddy.