caulfield12 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) https://www.mlb.com/news/front-office-executives-poll-for-farm-systems-2025 Those who voted for the Sox on the underrated and best at acquiring prospects must not be frequenting SoxTalk. Loved Orioles for prospect hugging...Dodgers Guardians and Padres with accolades, most wanted to keep Red Sox as best system overall even after Keel/Montgomery trade. Edited January 9 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 we're 4th after trading everyone. any other team could do the same. the trick is to draft and develope good players. that way you don't go 41-121. my january cynicism is starting to boil up to the top. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 Hahn will go to his grave repeating the mantra "an unprecedented, franchise-altering two consecutive playoff appearances..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 35 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Hahn will go to his grave repeating the mantra "an unprecedented, franchise-altering two consecutive playoff appearances..." LOL...one of which came in a 60-game season and found the team with only two starting pitchers for a three game opening round series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 58 minutes ago, zisk said: we're 4th after trading everyone. any other team could do the same. the trick is to draft and develope good players. that way you don't go 41-121. my january cynicism is starting to boil up to the top. 💯 nailed it. For so many years, the Braves, Dodgers, Ray's, Astros have claimed a top 10 farm while continously winning at the Big League level. The Sox are the Pirates. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.mlb.com/news/front-office-executives-poll-for-farm-systems-2025 Those who voted for the Sox on the underrated and best at acquiring prospects must not be frequenting SoxTalk. Loved Orioles for prospect hugging...Dodgers Guardians and Padres with accolades, most wanted to keep Red Sox as best system overall even after Keel/Montgomery trade. Orioles not even a top 9 system?? I was assured by those Orioles poster last winter that they would maintain a top system for years under the tutelage of Elias even after they were no longer drafting in the top 5 every year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 12 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Orioles not even a top 9 system?? I was assured by those Orioles poster last winter that they would maintain a top system for years under the tutelage of Elias even after they were no longer drafting in the top 5 every year. You do know you don't have to hold on to hurt feelings for years just because someone disagreed with you on the internet, right? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 18 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Orioles not even a top 9 system?? I was assured by those Orioles poster last winter that they would maintain a top system for years under the tutelage of Elias even after they were no longer drafting in the top 5 every year. Other than Mayo, Basallo, Bradfield...who do they have left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: You do know you don't have to hold on to hurt feelings for years just because someone disagreed with you on the internet, right? I’m not hurt at all that the Orioles are going the way of the Sox most recent rebuild after interacting with those trolls last winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Other than Mayo, Basallo, Bradfield...who do they have left? And if Elias makes a bold move like trading for Cease they won’t even have those three left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 11 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I’m not hurt at all that the Orioles are going the way of the Sox most recent rebuild after interacting with those trolls last winter. Well, the Rays have the farm system but no budget and no stadium (good luck with FA's), Toronto has ONE last go at it with Guerrero and Bichette this year...I still think it's way too early to write off the Orioles being a perennial contender simply because they have Sugano and Charlie Morton now instead of spending over $200 million on Corbin Burnes. O'Neill and Sanchez are winning/playoff-experienced players as well. It was never going to make sense to give Santander a MASSIVE contract based on one Brady Anderson-like season when they have so many cheaper/younger players to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Well, the Rays have the farm system but no budget and no stadium (good luck with FA's), The As are playing 2 seasons in an outdoor minor league park where last year July had 5 days over 110 degrees F. They signed several good free agent contracts this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 15 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The As are playing 2 seasons in an outdoor minor league park where last year July had 5 days over 110 degrees F. They signed several good free agent contracts this offseason. Well, you've got California (not sure that's a positive with all the fires and complaints about taxes) and a AAA facility. Tampa Bay is going to be using the Yankees' High A facility, with a capacity of something like 12,500 (cue the jokes about better attendance). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 12 hours ago, zisk said: we're 4th after trading everyone. any other team could do the same. the trick is to draft and develope good players. that way you don't go 41-121. my january cynicism is starting to boil up to the top. At least we’re only 5 weeks from baseball games. Can’t come soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 hours ago, caulfield12 said: cue the jokes about better attendance 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 12 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: You do know you don't have to hold on to hurt feelings for years just because someone disagreed with you on the internet, right? As admin, why are you advocating shutting down Soxtalk? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 13 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I’m not hurt at all that the Orioles are going the way of the Sox most recent rebuild after interacting with those trolls last winter. Just imagine if the Sox with their current rebuild don’t even match what the Orioles have done with theirs? The grass is almost assuredly never greener on the White Sox side. I agree with your opinion that Elias has made some very questionable decisions, especially this offseason regarding starting pitching. But the Sox make plenty more questionable to bad decisions all the time. Edited January 10 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 49 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Just imagine if the Sox with their current rebuild don’t even match what the Orioles have done with theirs? The grass is almost assuredly never greener on the White Sox side. I agree with your opinion that Elias has made some very questionable decisions, especially this offseason regarding starting pitching. But the Sox make plenty more questionable to bad decisions all the time. Sure but I wasn’t the one spouting off my team was a lock to be a perennial title contender for the next 5 seasons while maintaining a top 5 farm system because my GM is god. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 14 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: And if Elias makes a bold move like trading for Cease they won’t even have those three left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Sure but I wasn’t the one spouting off my team was a lock to be a perennial title contender for the next 5 seasons while maintaining a top 5 farm system because my GM is god. True, but do you want to welcome those nut jobs back? I’m sure you can taste their tears over at Orioles Hangout. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: True, but do you want to welcome those nut jobs back? I’m sure you can taste their tears over at Orioles Hangout. 🤣 They won’t be back. They’re walking with their tail between their legs after finishing the second half of the season 40-41 and getting swept at home by the lowly Royals in the first round of the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: They won’t be back. They’re walking with their tail between their legs after finishing the second half of the season 40-41 and getting swept at home by the lowly Royals in the first round of the playoffs. I am all for pointing and laughing at the O's. I got a lot of joy out of watching them go 0-5 in the past 2 postseasons. And they still don't have the pitching to compete in the playoffs. But let's also take a step back and realize how good of a position player foundation they have. They may not have a top tier farm anymore, but when you have Gunnar Henderson, and Jackson Holliday, and Jordan Westberg, and Adley Rutschman, and Cody Mayo, and Heston Kjerstad, and Colton Cowser - do you really need an elite farm system? That team is going to be good for a long time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 17 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I am all for pointing and laughing at the O's. I got a lot of joy out of watching them go 0-5 in the past 2 postseasons. And they still don't have the pitching to compete in the playoffs. But let's also take a step back and realize how good of a position player foundation they have. They may not have a top tier farm anymore, but when you have Gunnar Henderson, and Jackson Holliday, and Jordan Westberg, and Adley Rutschman, and Cody Mayo, and Heston Kjerstad, and Colton Cowser - do you really need an elite farm system? That team is going to be good for a long time. Not to mention we have nothing even close to that in our pipeline... and Baltimore still isn't able to win a playoff game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 10 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I am all for pointing and laughing at the O's. I got a lot of joy out of watching them go 0-5 in the past 2 postseasons. And they still don't have the pitching to compete in the playoffs. But let's also take a step back and realize how good of a position player foundation they have. They may not have a top tier farm anymore, but when you have Gunnar Henderson, and Jackson Holliday, and Jordan Westberg, and Adley Rutschman, and Cody Mayo, and Heston Kjerstad, and Colton Cowser - do you really need an elite farm system? That team is going to be good for a long time. Here’s the problem. Adley might already be on the decline. He was brutal the second half of last season so we’ll see what 2025 brings. Holliday, Mayo, Kjerstad, and Cowser are largely unproven. Henderson is a stud but what happens if he gets hurt? They’ve made a bunch of Rick Hahn type signings this winter and are still, on paper, worse than they were in 2024 after losing Burnes. Their starting rotation is razor thin. Grayson has already had injury scares and could be one pitch away from TJS. The other problem? New York and Boston are improving over the past two seasons after a brief lull. Window is closing quickly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Not to mention we have nothing even close to that in our pipeline... and Baltimore still isn't able to win a playoff game. Yep, which is why the Sox need to start shopping from the upper tier of free agents instead of the bargain bin. Orioles are pulling a white Sox and shopping from the bargain bin. It’s scary how reminiscent their rebuild path is following the most recent white Sox rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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