May 6, 2025May 6 3 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Fraley and Steer are a combined -0.2 fWAR and Dunn's still a pretty unknown quantity at the big league level at this point. I think the point was those 4 guys suck which is why they would want Robert, not that the Sox would take any of those 4 in a trade.
May 6, 2025May 6 25 minutes ago, Snopek said: Okay? And Korey Lee has the same fWAR as Robert, so I guess we are assuming these are all just similar caliber players then. Weird how f and b WAR are the same for Lee but with Robert bWAR is .8 .That's a significant difference.
May 6, 2025May 6 19 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I think the point was those 4 guys suck which is why they would want Robert, not that the Sox would take any of those 4 in a trade. I thought it was that they didn’t need Robert…maybe missing the sarcasm. Friedl and Dunn are at least +0.5. Edited May 6, 2025May 6 by caulfield12
May 6, 2025May 6 9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: I thought it was that they didn’t need Robert…maybe missing the sarcasm. Friedl and Dunn are at least +0.5. Friedl and when they get Hays back is at least 2 guys. Can still use Robert for sure.
May 6, 2025May 6 36 minutes ago, Snopek said: Okay? And Korey Lee has the same fWAR as Robert, so I guess we are assuming these are all just similar caliber players then. Has Korey Lee ever had a 3.9 fWAR season? Because Friedl has. Friedl has accumulated 4.4 fWAR since 2023. Robert has accumulated 5.6 fWAR since 2023. Robert has been the more productive player but not by a lot and appears to be a minimal upgrade in CF (and he’s a lot more expensive in salary terms). I guess they could move Robert to RF but then his bat plays down much more than it does in CF.
May 6, 2025May 6 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Wow, I think you’re going to be very disappointed by the return if this is your line of thinking. The package you mention is close to what the Sox got for Crochet and he was far more valuable. Yep, I’m thinking a fringe 100 guy at best
May 6, 2025May 6 9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Wasn’t Arroyo the target last time? Hasn’t he been pretty abysmal at the plate? Arroyo alone would be a great return for Robert. I’ll be surprised if they get a prospect that good in return for him.
May 6, 2025May 6 13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Wasn’t Arroyo the target last time? Hasn’t he been pretty abysmal at the plate? Abysmal? In 15 games, he has a .351 AVG, .431 OBP, .852 OPS. No homers yet though and only 4 extra base hits (all doubles). Edited May 6, 2025May 6 by Bob Sacamano
May 6, 2025May 6 The fact we have to trade Robert is what I so hate about MLB. Sox can't afford to pay him the going rate so he must be dealt for 3-4 saviors who soon enough will be unaffordable themselves. The fact baseball allows just a few teams to buy all the great players is sooo disgusting (to me). Others accept it, love it, love the unknown players we're going to receive in the name of tanking/rebuilding. Lip I know you will just say that's life with Jerry as our owner, but Lip, even you may admit this is a disgusting sport to follow for the reasons I've suggested here. Yes I wanted Sale to stay, Crochet to stay, Cease, Robert. All this inequity and still baseball has a gazillion fans. Sad. Edited May 6, 2025May 6 by greg775
May 6, 2025May 6 19 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Abysmal? In 15 games, he has a .351 AVG, .431 OBP, .852 OPS. No homers yet though and only 4 extra base hits (all doubles). BABIP is also very high though. Let's see his stats when it normalizes.
May 6, 2025May 6 8 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: BABIP is also very high though. Let's see his stats when it normalizes. Thats fair. I just wouldn’t call his numbers “abysmal”
May 6, 2025May 6 8 minutes ago, fathom said: No more slap hitters please! Also fair. I just don’t know what to reasonably expect to get for him. Edited May 6, 2025May 6 by Bob Sacamano
May 6, 2025May 6 11 minutes ago, greg775 said: The fact we have to trade Robert is what I so hate about MLB. Sox can't afford to pay him the going rate so he must be dealt for 3-4 saviors who soon enough will be unaffordable themselves. The fact baseball allows just a few teams to buy all the great players is sooo disgusting (to me). Others accept it, love it, love the unknown players we're going to receive in the name of tanking/rebuilding. Lip I know you will just say that's life with Jerry as our owner, but Lip, even you may admit this is a disgusting sport to follow for the reasons I've suggested here. Yes I wanted Sale to stay, Crochet to stay, Cease, Robert. All this inequity and still baseball has a gazillion fans. Sad. And they ain’t even going to get “3-4 saviors”
May 6, 2025May 6 8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Also fair. I just don’t know what to reasonably expect to get for him. Saw him in the spring and he didn’t look like he’d have any projectable power
May 6, 2025May 6 11 minutes ago, fathom said: Saw him in the spring and he didn’t look like he’d have any projectable power I guess I should have said his numbers are misleading...we already have Bergolla/Bonemer and about five or six more 625-725 ops infielders, so really need more quality outfield depth than just Braden. Zavala and Wolkow not exactly lighting the world on fire, either.
May 6, 2025May 6 8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I just want the Dodgers to give up Hope or De Paula. Pages one of the hottest hitters in baseball but that won't deter them. Plus Conforto has been NOT so good.
May 6, 2025May 6 12 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Pages one of the hottest hitters in baseball but that won't deter them. Plus Conforto has been NOT so good. Teoscar just hit the IL and apparently “inactive for a while” per Dave Roberts. Edited May 6, 2025May 6 by Bob Sacamano
May 6, 2025May 6 8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Teoscar just hit the IL and apparently “inactive for a while” per Dave Roberts. He or Ohtani are definitely their offensive MVPs so far. 117.9 ev homer from Shohei already this week...catching fire again. You can pretty much guarantee Andrew Friedman can fix whatever he needs to with that impressive/deep farm system and virtually unlimited financial resources.
May 6, 2025May 6 I vote for quality over quantity. Please give me a player with OBP, defense, and speed any day.
May 6, 2025May 6 46 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I just want the Dodgers to give up Hope or De Paula. Isn’t Hope a consensus top 25 guy now
May 6, 2025May 6 1 hour ago, greg775 said: The fact we have to trade Robert is what I so hate about MLB. Sox can't afford to pay him the going rate so he must be dealt for 3-4 saviors who soon enough will be unaffordable themselves. The fact baseball allows just a few teams to buy all the great players is sooo disgusting (to me). Others accept it, love it, love the unknown players we're going to receive in the name of tanking/rebuilding. Lip I know you will just say that's life with Jerry as our owner, but Lip, even you may admit this is a disgusting sport to follow for the reasons I've suggested here. Yes I wanted Sale to stay, Crochet to stay, Cease, Robert. All this inequity and still baseball has a gazillion fans. Sad. The Sox CAN afford to pay good players they CHOOSE not to blaming everything and everyone from the fan base to the stadium. BIG difference.
May 6, 2025May 6 1 hour ago, fathom said: No more slap hitters please! [HeGetzUs has entered the chat]
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