Free Tim Elko (Back in Jail)

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

13 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Why would you phantom IL one of your few interesting young players? He's either legitimately dinged up and is expected to be unavailable for a week, or it'll be someone else. 

Would it really surprise you if they did that? If it doesn't make sense, it's probably a White Sox move. Adding Maton back made zero sense. His spot should have been Elko's.

[southsider2k5]

52 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Absolutely amazing.

Honestly making that easy was pretty amazing. 

[ChiSox59]

33 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Would it really surprise you if they did that? If it doesn't make sense, it's probably a White Sox move. Adding Maton back made zero sense. His spot should have been Elko's.

I mean, they'll IL Meidroth if he's hurt enough to be out a bit and will DFA someone else (likely Maton or Palacios) if not. They're not going to "phantom IL" Meidroth. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

2 hours ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

The lack of plate discipline and high K% isn't something that leads me to believe he will have long term success or turn into a potential long term answer for this team. But the kid is deserving to get a shot and can't be much worse than what we are seeing from Vaughn.

To what lack of plate discipline are you speaking ?

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said:

Glad Elko got the call, he's earned it. I'll be rooting for the guy, but I have low expectations. 30% K rates in the minor leagues do not translate well to the big leagues, especially for a DH type. I suspect most of the those clamoring for him the past month will be complaining about his inability to make contact in no time. 

I was clamoring but I have zero expectations.

He's another player that deserved a shot like any other minor leaguer who does well enough to get called up .

If he was a 1st or 2nd round pick he would've been in the Sox Top 30 a while ago. Despite the high K rate he's done very well and progressed swiftly .

You can say it's because he's older but that happens when you play through the Covid years and 5 years of college ball. He's been coachable for the new staff , done things they suggested and has become even better. 

He may or may not make it but he is more prepared to take his hacks than he was last year . That's what I expect. There's no call to make predictions or have expectations. Just let it play out.

Edited May 10 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[DoUEvenShift]

 

 

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

To what lack of plate discipline are you speaking ?

Before this year, Elko rocked a 7.0 BB% in the minors. I would tend to lean that the 11.6% we are seeing this year, is likely more of an outlier than some drastic change. He's never really been known as a patient hitter.

[DoUEvenShift]

 

[Quin]

7 hours ago, Falstaff said:

Tim Elko goes 4-4 2 hrs 5 rbi's .

What would Hawk's nickname for him be?

BePOE ?

 

With a completely straight face, "The Wichita Whacker."

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

57 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Before this year, Elko rocked a 7.0 BB% in the minors. I would tend to lean that the 11.6% we are seeing this year, is likely more of an outlier than some drastic change. He's never really been known as a patient hitter.

Maybe somehow you missed that it was because of what the new coaches wanted him to do and he applied it to become better.

I don't know how far back you're talking about for him never really being known as a patient hitter considering he's only had 2 full seasons in the minors. He's a minor leaguer in the process of developing. It bothers me when people talk about prospects as if they are what they are . We should be pleased he's worked hard enough to get better rather than slapping labels on them.

[WhiteSox2023]

3 hours ago, WestEddy said:

...And Getz was an Assistant GM and Director of Development. Getz personally imbued Tim Elko with his advancement in the organization, then kept the entire group that drafted him. I'm led to believe by you guys that Chris Getz made all the decisions under Hahn.

I'm a young soul.

 

Getz had already been promoted to assistant GM in 2021.  Elko was drafted in 2022.  But I guess…

Edited May 10 by WhiteSox2023

[Soxfest]

Welcome Tim

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

33 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Getz had already been promoted to assistant GM in 2021.  Elko was drafted in 2022.  But I guess…

Lol I saw that. You were in such a hurry to argue with Eddy and condemn Getz for having nothing to do with Elko that you  told Eddy 'Wrong" then quickly edited your post to remove "Wrong"  and add I guess...at the end.

I thinking to myself, wait, Getz was promoted to Asst.GM in 21 and Elko was drafted in 22 and hired the coaches recently who worked with him and gave him a plan to get better and Getz  bought the Trajekt machine which Elko said was a part of what he used to improve this year that Getz actually has played a significant role in his drafting and development .

I wasn't really pleased it took as long as it did to call him up nor the crap that came from Getz 'mouth about it.

This is just the type of thing Getz wants to accomplish and it should be a good sign . I'm not predicting massive success but this is a very good development. Of course there's much more to be done.

Edited May 10 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[WestEddy]

11 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Lol I saw that. You were in such a hurry to argue with Eddy and condemn Getz for having nothing to do with Elko that you  told Eddy 'Wrong" then quickly edited your post to remove "Wrong"  and add I guess...at the end.

I thinking to myself, wait, Getz was promoted to Asst.GM in 21 and Elko was drafted in 22 and hired the coaches recently who worked with him and gave him a plan to get better and Getz  bought the Trajekt machine which Elko said was a part of what he used to improve this year that Getz actually has played a significant role in his drafting and development him.

I wasn't really pleased it took as long as it did to call him up nor the crap that came from Getz 'mouth about it.

This is just the type of thing Getz wants to accomplish and it should be a good sign . I'm not predicting massive success but this is a very good development. Of course there's much more to be done.

We already know that Getz pulled all the strings in the organization, even when he played 2nd base in KC. KW probably broke into the war room to demand the Sox draft Reinsdorf's grand-daughter in the 1st round of the 2022 draft, and Getz deftly thwarted him, and let Mike Shirley select Noah Schultz. 

[WhiteSox2023]

Elko was already tearing the cover off the ball in the minors during the 2023 season.  Getz was promoted to full GM at the end of the 2023 season so all of his changes/upgrades then took some time after that.

Perhaps Elko was just always a good hitter and this notion that Getz’s improvements made him better are bullshit?

[chitownsportsfan]

13 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Elko was already tearing the cover off the ball in the minors during the 2023 season.  Getz was promoted to full GM at the end of the 2023 season so all of his changes/upgrades then took some time after that.

Perhaps Elko was just always a good hitter and this notion that Getz’s improvements made him better are bullshit?

GM can only be judged in aggregate and imo 90% of development is on the individual player. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Elko was already tearing the cover off the ball in the minors during the 2023 season.  Getz was promoted to full GM at the end of the 2023 season so all of his changes/upgrades then took some time after that.

Perhaps Elko was just always a good hitter and this notion that Getz’s improvements made him better are bullshit?

Why do you act as if you are so ignorant of the entire Elko situation that you can't even be fair and  give Getz a little credit that some people he hired and a machine he bought helped a player ? This is the whole goal of upgrading R and D andsking new hires.

You got busted because you know what you originally wrote was so stupid you changed it now outright deny any knowledge of things Elko said in an interview about why he believes he's doing better this year.

[WhiteSox2023]

7 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

GM can only be judged in aggregate and imo 90% of development is on the individual player. 

Agreed.  Perhaps a good move by Hahn in drafting him.  That could be three starters in the current Sox lineup that came from Hahn instead of Getz — Sosa, Quero, and Elko.  🤣

[WhiteSox2023]

9 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Why do you act as if you are so ignorant of the entire Elko situation that you can't even be fair and  give Getz a little credit that some people he hired and a machine he bought helped a player ? This is the whole goal of upgrading R and D andsking new hires.

Nah, I'mma Do My Own Thing

[southsider2k5]

For the record, I have no problem at all with Getz getting some credit here.  It is consistent with his also getting blame for all of the failures that happened at the same time.  I am not quite sure why we played some of the other clowns on the roster instead of Elko, but hopefully he does something positive.  There is literally no downside. We lose nothing if he sucks, because that is what we already have.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

11 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

GM can only be judged in aggregate and imo 90% of development is on the individual player. 

This is a little too simple to apply or even debate since it's your opinion .But I will say that development takes many forms and if you only use the term to mean improvement it's not easy to give percentages. Just the willingness to make changes is a good development that may not lead to getting better.

Certainly it's 100% on a player to admit he needs to do things differently but may need help from outside sources and those sources may suggest multiples way to change based on their observations. Change does not often lead to improvement. Sometimes players are reluctant to change or they follow the advice of the wrong people. Plus development is a step by step thing that takes longer with some than others. A new batting stance can incorporate a bunch of things . So many parts of your body go into standing in the batters box ,having an approach, identifying a pitch, swinging , hitting it ,hitting it where they ain't or with any kind of authority. Improvement is more possible with some than with others due to physical limitations that can only be minutely improved or mental processes like learning disabilities, frustration, patience, fear, work ethic.

Hitting is so very difficult and gets so much more difficult that even the changes you made along the way to get where you are, may not be enough to get get you to where you want to go .

[Jake]

4 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You mean the player that Hahn drafted?

Hahn drafts chicken s%*#, Getzy turns it into chicken dinner!

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Why do you act as if you are so ignorant of the entire Elko situation that you can't even be fair and  give Getz a little credit that some people he hired and a machine he bought helped a player ? This is the whole goal of upgrading R and D andsking new hires.

You got busted because you know what you originally wrote was so stupid you changed it now outright deny any knowledge of things Elko said in an interview about why he believes he's doing better this year.

Watching the Red Sox Netflix series...Tyler ONeill has one of his own (Traject) in the basement set at 40 feet.

If only we used our budget on things like that...rather than wasting so much on "leadership" veterans who won't bring any return and will simply block younger prospects along the way.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

15 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Watching the Red Sox Netflix series...Tyler ONeill has one of his own (Traject) in the basement set at 40 feet.

If only we used our budget on things like that...rather than wasting so much on "leadership" veterans who won't bring any return and will simply block younger prospects along the way.

I'm not going to pretend I have any knowledge of how JR runs things or his bookkeeping or how he allocates his money .

Obviously 26 MLB players all making varying amounts adds up to something as does  hiring new staff for different departments  that have to do with baseball operations and drafting players domestically and internationally and buying machinery. equipment,maintenance and transportation costs is a lot of people and things to pay for. Maybe Getz has tough choices to make if he spends $5M getting new toys that's $5M he can't spend on players.

Every player on the 40 can't be a prospect who's developed enough to at least earn an opportunity. There's just not enough talent around to not pay somewhat reliable veteran talent. Also while rebuilding you can't bottom out so much that it dries up your revenue streams because your product is so bad fans and advertisers and TV people won't pay for it.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Maybe somehow you missed that it was because of what the new coaches wanted him to do and he applied it to become better.

I don't know how far back you're talking about for him never really being known as a patient hitter considering he's only had 2 full seasons in the minors. He's a minor leaguer in the process of developing. It bothers me when people talk about prospects as if they are what they are . We should be pleased he's worked hard enough to get better rather than slapping labels on them.

Choosing to look at a much larger sample size of data to make a guess how a player may perform is wrong? I wish the kid all the success he can get, but I'm not sold on him being a savior of the White Sox after 112 AB's in Charlotte. Let's see him do it in the majors and prove me wrong.