4 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:

 

I assume you meant to type south part of the lot.  Looking at the rendering below, it doesn't appear to me that a Fire stadium would block much of the skyline view.  I don't imagine the soccer structure would be any taller than the top of the upper deck of the Sox stadium and most of that view is blocked by the scoreboard in LF with a Mets player on it. 

 

The Tribune says the soccer stadium will be 101 feet tall.  At modern ballparks, the top row of the upper deck is usually about 100 feet above the field. So assuming that the baseball park is built on the same grade as the soccer stadium, they shouldn't block each other. 

In the architectural drawings, it looks like they've already decided to sacrifice the left field view in favor of the double deck seating and the scoreboard  -- which almost certainly will be bigger in real life because it will be surrounded by ad panels (and hopefully topped by pinwheels if they have the good sense to put them atop the scoreboard where they belong.)

The main view will be behind center field toward the lakefront South Loop high rises.

 

 

 

Edited February 28Feb 28 by ron883

Indiana voters are speaking:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2026/03/01/indiana-taxpayers-bears-stadium/

Sounds like they are dumping on tax burden on the Region residents. As a former region rat myself, I understand their frustration.

Here's a new MLB ballpark rankings that just got posted.   One thing I like about this review is that he groups the ballparks into four categories: Cathedrals, Modern Hits, Safe & Basic, and Swing & Miss.   That seems like a much better way than to argue which park is 17th or 23rd, etc.  I don't think he's listing the ballparks in each category by best to worst in that group.   The other thing I like is the Google Earth 360 view of each stadium.

Sox fans who have a huge chip on their shoulder about Rate Field should probably stop at Tropicana Field and not watch the end of this video.  Cardinals fans might not like that he puts Busch in the Safe & Basic category, either.  

 

.....and for those who don't want to watch the video, here is how he groups the MLB ballparks:

Cathedrals:  Wrigley, Fenway, Oracle Park, Dodger Stadium, Petco, Camden Yards, PNC Park

Modern Hits:  Truist Park, Comerica Park, Target Field, T-Mobile Park, Citi Field, Coors Field, Rogers Centre

Safe & Basic:  Busch, Yankee Stadium, Citizen Bank Park, American Family Field, Nationals Park, Globe Life Field, Progressive Field, Great American Ballpark, Daikin Park, Load Depot Park, Kauffman

Swing & Miss:  Chase Field, Sacramento ballpark (temp home), Angel Stadium, Tropicana Field, Rate Field

1 hour ago, 77 Hitmen said:

.....and for those who don't want to watch the video, here is how he groups the MLB ballparks:

Cathedrals:  Wrigley, Fenway, Oracle Park, Dodger Stadium, Petco, Camden Yards, PNC Park

Modern Hits:  Truist Park, Comerica Park, Target Field, T-Mobile Park, Citi Field, Coors Field, Rogers Centre

Safe & Basic:  Busch, Yankee Stadium, Citizen Bank Park, American Family Field, Nationals Park, Globe Life Field, Progressive Field, Great American Ballpark, Daikin Park, Load Depot Park, Kauffman

Swing & Miss:  Chase Field, Sacramento ballpark (temp home), Angel Stadium, Tropicana Field, Rate Field

Minnesota just feels like way too much concrete to me...but maybe an anti Twins bias there.

One thing is for sure...watching some of these Japanese exhibitions and having gone to Kyocera and Tokyo Dome, the experience is equally bad on tv as in person.

That said, a sold out stadium with all the attendant chanting, flags, player-specific cheers, dance groups, fans dressed up with their favorite team's uniforms, there's nothing quite like it.

 

5 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Here's a new MLB ballpark rankings that just got posted.   One thing I like about this review is that he groups the ballparks into four categories: Cathedrals, Modern Hits, Safe & Basic, and Swing & Miss.   That seems like a much better way than to argue which park is 17th or 23rd, etc.  I don't think he's listing the ballparks in each category by best to worst in that group.   The other thing I like is the Google Earth 360 view of each stadium.

Sox fans who have a huge chip on their shoulder about Rate Field should probably stop at Tropicana Field and not watch the end of this video.  Cardinals fans might not like that he puts Busch in the Safe & Basic category, either.  

 

But does he meet the minimum standards to be allowed to compare the stadiums?

38 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Minnesota just feels like way too much concrete to me...but maybe an anti Twins bias there.

One thing is for sure...watching some of these Japanese exhibitions and having gone to Kyocera and Tokyo Dome, the experience is equally bad on tv as in person.

That said, a sold out stadium with all the attendant chanting, flags, player-specific cheers, dance groups, fans dressed up with their favorite team's uniforms, there's nothing quite like it.

 

Isn’t that all flagstone?

2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Isn’t that all flagstone?

"Precast concrete is an essential component of the landmark facility; the architecture of the facades include large, stacked blocks of limestone that are native to the region. The honed and quarry creek rocked faced stone varies in thickness and is cast into the precast concrete wall system. There was nothing square, straight or plumb about the exterior precast concrete wall system. Many walls were battered a variety of different degrees, while each corner seems to intersect at a different angle. All these different interfaces provided for challenging geometry."

molin.com

The Chicago Fire broke ground on their new stadium at the 78 in the South Loop yesterday. It has been too quiet about a new White Sox stadium at that site. If the White Sox have any intentions of building there I wish they would announce something.

2 hours ago, WBWSF said:

The Chicago Fire broke ground on their new stadium at the 78 in the South Loop yesterday. It has been too quiet about a new White Sox stadium at that site. If the White Sox have any intentions of building there I wish they would announce something.

Any word on how they ingressed or regressed?

13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Any word on how they ingressed or regressed?

 By water taxi. 

Edited March 4Mar 4 by WhiteSox2023

Phase I environmental will require appx 30 large trucks per day removing wet, contaminated soil. The contaminated  soil will be transported via tarped trucks exiting the site southbound on Wells Street/Wentworth Avenue to 18th Street, then west on 18th Street to Canalport Avenue, then southwest on Canalport Avenue, then entering eastbound I-90/I-94 ... and continuing to southbound I-55 for disposal at a licensed landfill in Joliet, Illinois - a circuitous route for truckers through narrow streets. Reverse that and that is a main route for ingress to the site. Oh yes, the contractor will be required to hire street sweepers for the contaminated mud from truck tires.

 

 

Shut it all down.  We need trucks and street sweepers, can’t do this 

Site work begins for the new Cleveland Browns indoor stadium in Brook Park, Ohio.

 

15 hours ago, tray said:

Phase I environmental will require appx 30 large trucks per day removing wet, contaminated soil. The contaminated  soil will be transported via tarped trucks exiting the site southbound on Wells Street/Wentworth Avenue to 18th Street, then west on 18th Street to Canalport Avenue, then southwest on Canalport Avenue, then entering eastbound I-90/I-94 ... and continuing to southbound I-55 for disposal at a licensed landfill in Joliet, Illinois - a circuitous route for truckers through narrow streets. Reverse that and that is a main route for ingress to the site. Oh yes, the contractor will be required to hire street sweepers for the contaminated mud from truck tires.

 

 

Thanks Mr Obvious,  you're a lifesaver!

Those roads are going to look like Tehran's bombed out airport runways in about 2-3 weeks...plus you have the concrete buckling with dramatic spring weather changes.

Might need to shut everything down.

Mud/dirt clods in spring?

Wholly unacceptable.

Edited March 7Mar 7 by caulfield12

30 semi trucks per day with contaminated soil are taking a circuitous route which appears to be the only way  for trucks to access the Fire site and get to an expressway to head to Joliet.  Canalport  Avenue is definitely a road less traveled, but yes, they can do it.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/5CCrDDmYgfCkknvj8

City of Chicago Streets and San can make sure the road stays clear and is not damaged. Maybe some barges floating that material down the Cal Sag would make more sense. What a mess.

 

 

51 minutes ago, tray said:

30 semi trucks per day with contaminated soil are taking a circuitous route which appears to be the only way  for trucks to access the Fire site and get to an expressway to head to Joliet.  Canalport  Avenue is definitely a road less traveled, but yes, they can do it.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/5CCrDDmYgfCkknvj8

City of Chicago Streets and San can make sure the road stays clear and is not damaged. Maybe some barges floating that material down the Cal Sag would make more sense. What a mess.

 

 

Some of that waste cant be taken to a dump. It needs to be treated then sent to incinerators. Similar to the soil from under the Dan Ryan when it was renovated. Much of it is waste from the Chicago fire.

A cousin works for the company who handles the waste. It is being analyzed very closely.

On 3/4/2026 at 11:06 AM, southsider2k5 said:

Any word on how they ingressed or regressed?

The officials at the groundbreaking had to be airlifted in and out.  The site is totally inaccessible.   They were also wearing hazmat suits.

Edited March 8Mar 8 by 77 Hitmen

3 hours ago, ptatc said:

Some of that waste cant be taken to a dump. It needs to be treated then sent to incinerators. Similar to the soil from under the Dan Ryan when it was renovated. Much of it is waste from the Chicago fire.

A cousin works for the company who handles the waste. It is being analyzed very closely.

Again,  obviously none of this is a surprise or even a deal breaker. Why it is being drama queened is beyond me.  I am sure with its industrial and manufacturing history, I am sure the Southside is loaded with brown and superfund sites where work like this is way more common than you would ever want it to be.  Yet, here we are building a modern sports facility on the site, just like I said could be done.

7 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Again,  obviously none of this is a surprise or even a deal breaker. Why it is being drama queened is beyond me.  I am sure with its industrial and manufacturing history, I am sure the Southside is loaded with brown and superfund sites where work like this is way more common than you would ever want it to be.  Yet, here we are building a modern sports facility on the site, just like I said could be done.

Of course it can be done. Just a little more costly.

On 3/8/2026 at 1:00 PM, southsider2k5 said:

Again,  obviously none of this is a surprise or even a deal breaker. Why it is being drama queened is beyond me.  I am sure with its industrial and manufacturing history, I am sure the Southside is loaded with brown and superfund sites where work like this is way more common than you would ever want it to be.  Yet, here we are building a modern sports facility on the site, just like I said could be done.

There is a two-word answer to this that explains it in an articulate and persuasive way:  LAUGH EMOJI!

Edited March 9Mar 9 by 77 Hitmen

18 hours ago, ptatc said:

Of course it can be done. Just a little more costly.

Hence there not being room for a small project to get done here.