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“The 78” + "The Railyard" = the future of the Sox and Fire

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14 hours ago, ron883 said:

Maybe they'll find some human bones during excavation and they can name it "The Boneyard". That would be a cool stadium name.

Knowing Chicago history, especially the south side, it's almost a given.

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18 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

The lack of business acumen here is truly astounding. The simple reality is a better stadium will draw bigger crowds allowing for bigger payrolls and a more competitive team. A new stadium should also provide a better fan experience than the one we get today. Not sure why we should all settle for a “perfectly fine” stadium when our future owner is willing develop a better one on his own dime. The bulk of your concerns really make no sense and it feels like you are just trying to be contrarian for the sake of argument.

Maybe they can stay at the current park and, after the naming rights deal with Rate mortgage ends, rename it "There's Nothing Wrong with It Field" since that's the main thing its advocates can say about it.

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

I can't help but think, with as little stuff as there is around the baseball experience, what exactly are they losing? I mean if you work at the park, you can still work at the park 2.5 miles away. There isn't some big ballpark experience of shops that depend on the team, which is the whole point of trying to actually create a ballpark village. I know there are a few shops around the team, but it isn't anything like other teams, and I feel like they are trying to have two things be true at once, which can't.

Free fireworks shows?

Just now, 77 Hitmen said:

Maybe they can stay at the current park and, after the naming rights deal with Rate mortgage ends, rename it "There's Nothing Wrong with It Field" since that's the main thing its advocates can say about it.

I can't wait to hear Schiff bellow "STAAAAAND UP PERFECTLY FINE FIELD!!!"

On 9/9/2026 at 11:01 AM, nrockway said:

How about we just stop destroying perfectly fine and functional entertainment complexes so that a billionaire can make slightly more money by developing a redundant entertainment complex?

What a massive waste of resources and limited urban land, I’m surprised the perspective of this forum is so gung-ho about building yet another pointless stadium. Like have you guys been to Sox Park lately? It’s perfectly fine. They don’t need a new one. If they want to do something on the parking lots they already own, wonderful. This 78 s%*# is so annoying they should’ve just planted some trees 20 years ago and been done with it.

Yes, they should have just taken the prime real estate that is the 78 and "planted trees on it". Is this trolling or are you serious with this slop?

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

I can't help but think, with as little stuff as there is around the baseball experience, what exactly are they losing? I mean if you work at the park, you can still work at the park 2.5 miles away. There isn't some big ballpark experience of shops that depend on the team, which is the whole point of trying to actually create a ballpark village. I know there are a few shops around the team, but it isn't anything like other teams, and I feel like they are trying to have two things be true at once, which can't.

Yeah, people can't have it both ways by saying: 1) All Sox fans want is parking lots so that they can drive right up to the ballpark, tailgate, see the game, and then drive right back home; and also 2) Moving the Sox out of Bridgeport will totally devastate the neighborhood.

1 minute ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Yeah, people can't have it both ways by saying: 1) All Sox fans want is parking lots so that they can drive right up to the ballpark, tailgate, see the game, and then drive right back home; and also 2) Moving the Sox out of Bridgeport will totally devastate the neighborhood.

Why not? We live in a world where reality doesn't matter anymore. There's no accountability anywhere for lying. Lol

24 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Yes, they should have just taken the prime real estate that is the 78 and "planted trees on it". Is this trolling or are you serious with this slop?

Chicago’s Central Park?

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

From Paul Sullivan's column today:

Bridgeport Blues

No one from Bridgeport wants the Sox to leave Bridgeport and turn it into a virtual ghost town. Unfortunately, Ishbia lives on the North Shore, not Bridgeport, and has no nostalgia for the neighborhood that’s been home to the Sox for 116 years. If the Sox and Illinois Sports Facilities Authority had allowed bars and restaurants to be built around the new ballpark 35 years ago, as late Gov. Jim Thompson originally promised at McCuddy’s, Bridgeport would now be like River North and the team wouldn’t have to move to draw more fans.

Does anyone here actually believe this? Seems very far-fetched to me. If there's such a demand, why isn't the ChiSox Bar and Grill always packed to the gills? What has stopped the actual Bridgeport neighborhood - just steps away from the Sox parking lots - from becoming "like River North" over the last 30 years?

Sullivan is the guy who has spent decades totally ripping the Sox to shreds for its sterile ballpark environment while getting all misty-eyed over the wonderful Wrigley Field. Now, he's joined the "It's a Perfectly Fine Ballpark" brigade? He's also the guy who keeps wanting to re-write history by saying that Disco Demolition was a massive anti-gay, anti-black rally. If the Sox move the South Loop, I don't doubt he'll continue to be a Sox basher and Cubs shill.

Fun fact: Sully's brother is running for US Senate in Alaska! It has nothing to do with Paul's reporting, but his brother is on the ballot. I don't want to make this political, though, so let's not get into the merits of his candidacy.

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1 hour ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

It's hardly a surprise that many who grew up in Bridgeport with the White Sox as a defining part of their neighborhood will be sad to see them go (and sad to see the Tray effect clearly tainting any and all critical discussion of the move.) I do feel for the neighborhood and will be nostalgic myself when the eventually leave, just as I was nostalgic when they tore down Old Comiskey.

But the notion that their leaving will turn Bridgeport into a "ghost town" is way overblown for the reasons folks have mentioned. It will turn Bridgeport into...a neighborhood without a ballpark, like all but one of the other Chicago neighborhoods. Albeit a neighborhood with a big physical hole to fill.

Well said. It would definitely be a bittersweet move even if overall it'll be a positive for the franchise. It's not a decision to take lightly. Too bad that kind of balanced discussion has been drowned out by all the tantrum throwing.

3 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Well said. It would definitely be a bittersweet move even if overall it'll be a positive for the franchise. It's not a decision to take lightly. Too bad that kind of balanced discussion has been drowned out by all the tantrum throwing.

This is absolutely fair.

1 hour ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Maybe they can stay at the current park and, after the naming rights deal with Rate mortgage ends, rename it "There's Nothing Wrong with It Field" since that's the main thing its advocates can say about it.

Exactly Par(k)

44 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Does anyone here actually believe this? Seems very far-fetched to me. If there's such a demand, why isn't the ChiSox Bar and Grill always packed to the gills? What has stopped the actual Bridgeport neighborhood - just steps away from the Sox parking lots - from becoming "like River North" over the last 30 years?

Sullivan is the guy who has spent decades totally ripping to the Sox to shreds for its sterile ballpark environment while getting all misty-eyed over the wonderful Wrigley Field. Now, he's joined the "It's a Perfectly Fine Ballpark" brigade? He's also the guy who keeps wanting to re-write history by saying that Disco Demolition was a massive anti-gay, anti-black rally. If the Sox move the South Loop, I don't doubt he'll continue to be a Sox basher and Cubs shill.

Fun fact: Sully's brother is running for US Senate in Alaska! It has nothing to do with Paul's reporting, but his brother is on the ballot. I don't want to make this political, though, so let's not get into the merits of his candidacy.

They tried keeping the Chisox Bar and Grill open year around after it first opened.After a few weeks of no customers they closed it down. The only time its open is when a White Sox game is playing.

48 minutes ago, AntMan26 said:

Chicago’s Central Park?

How much do you think that land will go for? Former Final Steel property went for over $6m per acre back in the 2010s. Let's assume at least $5mil an acre. That's $310m right there. Then you have remediation. The city doesn't have money for all that. It's fantasyland.

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33 minutes ago, ron883 said:

How much do you think that land will go for? Former Final Steel property went for over $6m per acre back in the 2010s. Let's assume at least $5mil an acre. That's $310m right there. Then you have remediation. The city doesn't have money for all that. It's fantasyland.

Of course it is. I was being facetious.

3 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Well said. It would definitely be a bittersweet move even if overall it'll be a positive for the franchise. It's not a decision to take lightly. Too bad that kind of balanced discussion has been drowned out by all the tantrum throwing.

....I'll also add that questions about parking and traffic if they move to the South Loop are legitimate ones to have. Yes, they still need to accommodate fans who want to (or have to) drive to the game even if mass transit becomes more widely-used. But the idea that driving to a new ballpark will be impossible is nonsensical.

What happens to tailgating, too? For some fans, that is an integral part of their Sox game experience. Can they come up with some areas (perhaps that land at 18th and Canal that Ishbia is reportedly buying?) where they can keep that tradition alive? It's not going to be 40 acres of surface lots like now. Also, if people have other things to do around the park and other ways to get to the park, tailgating probably won't be as extensive. But it's still a thing among some diehards and that's something that Ishbia's team is going to need to figure out how to preserve.

It is possible to acknowledge that both pros and cons exist while still believing a new ballpark in the South Loop will be an overall huge boost for the White Sox franchise and popular with many Sox fans....and without hyperventilating about evil billionaires.

Edited by 77 Hitmen

5 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Does anyone here actually believe this? Seems very far-fetched to me. If there's such a demand, why isn't the ChiSox Bar and Grill always packed to the gills? What has stopped the actual Bridgeport neighborhood - just steps away from the Sox parking lots - from becoming "like River North" over the last 30 years?

Sullivan is the guy who has spent decades totally ripping the Sox to shreds for its sterile ballpark environment while getting all misty-eyed over the wonderful Wrigley Field. Now, he's joined the "It's a Perfectly Fine Ballpark" brigade? He's also the guy who keeps wanting to re-write history by saying that Disco Demolition was a massive anti-gay, anti-black rally. If the Sox move the South Loop, I don't doubt he'll continue to be a Sox basher and Cubs shill.

Fun fact: Sully's brother is running for US Senate in Alaska! It has nothing to do with Paul's reporting, but his brother is on the ballot. I don't want to make this political, though, so let's not get into the merits of his candidacy.

Is it Dan Sullivan, or the other Dan Sullivan?

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Is it Dan Sullivan, or the other Dan Sullivan?

I love that you know this. Lol.

Did you know that mayor Dan Sullivan endorsed senator Dan Sullivan against the other Dan Sullivan, as well? 🤣

Edited by Paulie4Pres

1 hour ago, 77 Hitmen said:

....I'll also add that questions about parking and traffic if they move to the South Loop are legitimate ones to have. Yes, they still need to accommodate fans who want to (or have to) drive to the game even if mass transit becomes more widely-used. But the idea that driving to a new ballpark will be impossible is nonsensical.

What happens to tailgating, too? For some fans, that is an integral part of their Sox game experience. Can they come up with some areas (perhaps that land at 18th and Canal that Ishbia is reportedly buying?) where they can keep that tradition alive? It's not going to be 40 acres of surface lots like now. Also, if people have other things to do around the park and other ways to get to the park, tailgating probably won't be as extensive. But it's still a thing among some diehards and that's something that Ishbia's team is going to need to figure out how to preserve.

It is possible to acknowledge that both pros and cons exist while still believing a new ballpark in the South Loop will be an overall huge boost for the White Sox franchise and popular with many Sox fans....and without hyperventilating about evil billionaires.

Well, billionaires are evil. But reality exists. They want to increase revenue streams, and people want a gameday/game weekend experience. They won't be remaking Wrigleyville outside of the South Loop. But if they create space for year-round activities like theaters, galleries, shops, as well as bars and restaurants, the downtown backdrop will make it a wild success.

14 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Well, billionaires are evil. But reality exists. They want to increase revenue streams, and people want a gameday/game weekend experience. They won't be remaking Wrigleyville outside of the South Loop. But if they create space for year-round activities like theaters, galleries, shops, as well as bars and restaurants, the downtown backdrop will make it a wild success.

If fans didn't want it, there wouldn't be a market for it. Even if all of this comes together, it might take 5 to 10 years to build that type of following.

29 minutes ago, Paulie4Pres said:

I love that you know this. Lol.

Did you know that mayor Dan Sullivan endorsed senator Dan Sullivan against the other Dan Sullivan, as well? 🤣

I did not know that. It's like the Monty Python Bruces sketch. "Wilbur Santorelli? That's going to cause confusion. Do you mind if we just call you Dan Sullivan?"

5 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Does anyone here actually believe this? Seems very far-fetched to me. If there's such a demand, why isn't the ChiSox Bar and Grill always packed to the gills? What has stopped the actual Bridgeport neighborhood - just steps away from the Sox parking lots - from becoming "like River North" over the last 30 years?

Sullivan is the guy who has spent decades totally ripping the Sox to shreds for its sterile ballpark environment while getting all misty-eyed over the wonderful Wrigley Field. Now, he's joined the "It's a Perfectly Fine Ballpark" brigade? He's also the guy who keeps wanting to re-write history by saying that Disco Demolition was a massive anti-gay, anti-black rally. If the Sox move the South Loop, I don't doubt he'll continue to be a Sox basher and Cubs shill.

Fun fact: Sully's brother is running for US Senate in Alaska! It has nothing to do with Paul's reporting, but his brother is on the ballot. I don't want to make this political, though, so let's not get into the merits of his candidacy.

Sullivan’s notion that “Bridgeport would now be like River North” is ridiculous and deserves all the clowning it is getting, but the idea that the current stadium’s site was never fully realized is a valid point to raise. Reinsdorf and the ISFA were content with the sea of parking lots, and, in another world, I’m sure the site could have lived up to being the Wrigleyville of the White Sox if development was ever the goal. McCuddy’s being preserved might’ve encouraged Schaller’s to never close, maybe even move closer to the stadium, which might‘ve meant those two, Cork and Kerry, Turtle’s, and potentially others would have all been known as iconic “Comiskeyville” bars.

But that’s only what might have transpired in another world. In this world, there is nothing surrounding the field besides parking lots that are only ever used during White Sox home games. The fans deserve a better experience, the team deserves a better reputation, and Bridgeport deserves to finally have the freedom to put something on those empty lots. To those problems, Ishbia’s vision is the only viable solution.

13 minutes ago, Mouthsider said:

Sullivan’s notion that “Bridgeport would now be like River North” is ridiculous and deserves all the clowning it is getting, but the idea that the current stadium’s site was never fully realized is a valid point to raise. Reinsdorf and the ISFA were content with the sea of parking lots, and, in another world, I’m sure the site could have lived up to being the Wrigleyville of the White Sox if development was ever the goal. McCuddy’s being preserved might’ve encouraged Schaller’s to never close, maybe even move closer to the stadium, which might‘ve meant those two, Cork and Kerry, Turtle’s, and potentially others would have all been known as iconic “Comiskeyville” bars.

But that’s only what might have transpired in another world. In this world, there is nothing surrounding the field besides parking lots that are only ever used during White Sox home games. The fans deserve a better experience, the team deserves a better reputation, and Bridgeport deserves to finally have the freedom to put something on those empty lots. To those problems, Ishbia’s vision is the only viable solution.

Honestly if the city gets back this land in some form, it might actually be better as a whole for Bridgeport overall.

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