start at 16:25.  It’s hilarious

Probably wouldn't be very hard to figure out which player he's talking about in the threatening the manager story based on the information he gave. Very shortly after he joined the team, very specific kind of play that happened to instigate it.

This is amazing. He's a favorite player of mine now. 

46 minutes ago, Jake said:

Probably wouldn't be very hard to figure out which player he's talking about in the threatening the manager story based on the information he gave. Very shortly after he joined the team, very specific kind of play that happened to instigate it.

I feel like the player that threatened Pedro after not hustling was Grandal, and the player laying on the ground was Moncada

Thanks for sharing.  What an indictment of this organization.

2023 was Getz’s last season as Assistant GM.  He was promoted to GM at the end of the season on August 31st.  😶

2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

I feel like the player that threatened Pedro after not hustling was Grandal, and the player laying on the ground was Moncada

I would put a $1000 dollars on you being correct.

AJP’s Brian Anderson threat story was just as embarrassing.  WTF is wrong with this org?

Edited June 20, 2025Jun 20 by WhiteSox2023

8 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I feel like the player that threatened Pedro after not hustling was Grandal, and the player laying on the ground was Moncada

Well Moncada was definitely on my mind as a guy who always had very dramatic reactions to pain but then usually stayed in the game. His countryman Alexei Ramirez was similar. 

The guy failing to hustle could have been a lot of different players. I've been scouring the game recaps and game threads from the Frazier era and so far am not seeing any plays that drew attention for a guy not running down the line. 

3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I would put a $1000 dollars on you being correct.

AJP’s Brian Anderson threat story was just as embarrassing.  WTF is wrong with this org?

Mark Gonzales told me about the time Anderson and another player (it was believed to be Brandon McCarthy) were in the clubhouse watching cartoons instead of getting ready for the upcoming game. Gonzo told me the other veteran players noticed. 

3 hours ago, Jake said:

Well Moncada was definitely on my mind as a guy who always had very dramatic reactions to pain but then usually stayed in the game. His countryman Alexei Ramirez was similar. 

The guy failing to hustle could have been a lot of different players. I've been scouring the game recaps and game threads from the Frazier era and so far am not seeing any plays that drew attention for a guy not running down the line. 

Could have been Robert, Eloy, Moncada

9 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Could have been Robert, Eloy, Moncada

For the not hustling part for sure, but threatening the manager feels a little out of character for those guys.

19 minutes ago, Snopek said:

For the not hustling part for sure, but threatening the manager feels a little out of character for those guys.

I have zero doubt that was Grandal.  I even kind of remember the scenario

1 hour ago, Snopek said:

For the not hustling part for sure, but threatening the manager feels a little out of character for those guys.

Oh yeah I was referring to the guys that did not hustle and did not want to play.

Edited June 20, 2025Jun 20 by Bob Sacamano

Hahn put together one hell of a 3 ring circus but he'll be on MLB network soon trying to blame anyone and everyone else.  

15 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

I feel like the player that threatened Pedro after not hustling was Grandal, and the player laying on the ground was Moncada

Interesting the one name out of all of them that AJ threw out there was Lance Lynn.  Obviously he doesn't fit the specific story, but his name came up before.

20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Interesting the one name out of all of them that AJ threw out there was Lance Lynn.  Obviously he doesn't fit the specific story, but his name came up before.

I don’t think he really referenced him as a guy who was a problem but maybe more as a reference as a character in the clubhouse. Plus they’re friends with Lance Lynn so no doubt any of this story was really new to them.

There were, and still are, and abundance of issues with this franchise. But good God Pedro Grifol might actually be the worst manager in MLB history without exaggeration. 

Clint Frazier described that whole situation amazingly.  What a sound bite. 

 

The trainer telling him not to bother going out to check on ( guessing Eloy or Moncada) dying in the box was too funny.

This whole thing is the biggest indictment I've seen on sox scouting. You can have all the talent in the world but if you assemble an abundance of weak minded head cases this what you get. This rebuild doesn't appear to have the "talent" of the last but at the very least I feel like these are some dedicated young guys. 

 

That being said this rebuild still sucks so far.

32 minutes ago, TheBooneLoganEra said:

This whole thing is the biggest indictment I've seen on sox scouting. You can have all the talent in the world but if you assemble an abundance of weak minded head cases this what you get. This rebuild doesn't appear to have the "talent" of the last but at the very least I feel like these are some dedicated young guys. 

 

That being said this rebuild still sucks so far.

And they seem to have zero ability to teach any of the mental aspects of the game, because no one ever seems to be baseball smarter after being here.  In fact it is quite the opposite.

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

And they seem to have zero ability to teach any of the mental aspects of the game, because no one ever seems to be baseball smarter after being here.  In fact it is quite the opposite.

This story, if nothing else, gives credence to Getz's hiring of a Culture director or whatever that position is.

The team clearly had a discipline issue - sure, having a manager who is severely underqualified and overmatched by his players is obviously bad, but you also need to develop a culture of accountability and professionalism as players.

14 minutes ago, JoeC said:

This story, if nothing else, gives credence to Getz's hiring of a Culture director or whatever that position is.

The team clearly had a discipline issue - sure, having a manager who is severely underqualified and overmatched by his players is obviously bad, but you also need to develop a culture of accountability and professionalism as players.

I know Hahn has become shorthand for blame around these parts, but to be frank what has changed since then?  It's been almost two years now, and you can only point the finger at so many soon to be ex-players.  Why are we still not able to call up a kid from the minors that we can trust and/or who has a grasp on fundamentals?  Why do we keep having to look outside of our minors to find guys who already know how to work hard?  Over these last couple of years, why has no veteran had a turn around since all of these changes took place?  There is a lot of talking, fingerpointing, and PR releases, but I still see the same picture.

22 minutes ago, JoeC said:

This story, if nothing else, gives credence to Getz's hiring of a Culture director or whatever that position is.

The team clearly had a discipline issue - sure, having a manager who is severely underqualified and overmatched by his players is obviously bad, but you also need to develop a culture of accountability and professionalism as players.

Going from Renteria, for whom it seemed like players would run through a wall, to drunken baseball corpse who napped in the dugout probably throws a monkey wrench in the whole accountability and professionalism part. 

17 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Going from Renteria, for whom it seemed like players would run through a wall, to drunken baseball corpse who napped in the dugout probably throws a monkey wrench in the whole accountability and professionalism part. 

And guess who is still roaming the system as a "special advisor"?

37 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I know Hahn has become shorthand for blame around these parts, but to be frank what has changed since then?  It's been almost two years now, and you can only point the finger at so many soon to be ex-players.  Why are we still not able to call up a kid from the minors that we can trust and/or who has a grasp on fundamentals?  Why do we keep having to look outside of our minors to find guys who already know how to work hard?  Over these last couple of years, why has no veteran had a turn around since all of these changes took place?  There is a lot of talking, fingerpointing, and PR releases, but I still see the same picture.

The picture hasn't changed because they keep promoting from within the same disfuctioning organization.  Getz was a part of culture, scouting, player development issues yet he was promoted. 

Wosers! i guess my post disappeared. Did I do something wrong?