The Mighty Mite Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: They aren’t. Look at the roster. It’s pretty much set. Your starting outfield is here already — Benintendi, Robert, and Tauchman. The infield is here as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if Sosa is moved to 1B full-time. Maybe another Martin Perez type starter and of course Getz’s favorite — more bad reliever acquisitions. We need more power in the outfield corners, at least 50 homers, Beni and Tauchman might give you 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 Sox have to go at least 5-1 this last week of the season to avoid 100 losses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 10 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: Sox have to go at least 5-1 this last week of the season to avoid 100 losses. And go through the Yankees battling for playoff positioning to do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 2 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: Sox have to go at least 5-1 this last week of the season to avoid 100 losses. Not happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 2 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: Sox have to go at least 5-1 this last week of the season to avoid 100 losses. 100 is all but guaranteed. Do they even win two more to crack 60 wins? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 (edited) 12 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: They aren’t. Look at the roster. It’s pretty much set. Your starting outfield is here already — Benintendi, Robert, and Tauchman. The infield is here as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if Sosa is moved to 1B full-time. Maybe another Martin Perez type starter and of course Getz’s favorite — more bad reliever acquisitions. Perez was actually good if he didn't get injured. Couldn't predict that based on his track record. Spending money on relievers would be silly considering how many dudes should come up from the minors/return from injury next season. I kinda doubt they sign anyone for the bullpen. A real starter like Framber/Ranger would be awesome, but not gonna happen. Tauch can keep the RF spot warm for B Montgomery. A trade for a proper left fielder would be awesome. I wouldn't sell the farm for Kwan though I really like him. Or try one of the many of the middle infielders, Sosa and Mead in particular, out there. Even Vargas. Those guys can actually move a little bit compared to Vaughnie. Start giving Bonemer time there at AA/AAA. re: Perez, I hope he sticks around. awesome dude. but $10mil is just an unnecessary expense. Maybe they decline the option and renegotiate. I dunno if any team is going to give him close to that. Edited September 22 by nrockway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 (edited) It's amazing how much I've changed. I used to want to win every game. Now I really want us to lose No. 100. Bring it on, please Sox, drop a few more to get to 100 again. The crazy thing is the Sox have conditioned many of us so badly that in this thread more than one person has called the team entertaining. Yeah, it's been so bad, this 97 loss season has been entertaining. Sad days on the south side. Further embarrassment to Jerry et all would be the Cub getting hot and making the WS. Chicago hasn't won in a while. If the Cub make the WS Chicago will go wild as they say. (cue the peeps on here to say I love the Cub; yeah I can name one player, that guy with 3 names who is a good hitter. Can't name one pitcher on the Cub. And one everyday player. Edited September 22 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 7 minutes ago, greg775 said: It's amazing how much I've changed. I used to want to win every game. Now I really want us to lose No. 100. Bring it on, please Sox, drop a few more to get to 100 again. The crazy thing is the Sox have conditioned many of us so badly that in this thread more than one person has called the team entertaining. Yeah, it's been so bad, this 97 loss season has been entertaining. Sad days on the south side. Further embarrassment to Jerry et all would be the Cub getting hot and making the WS. Chicago hasn't won in a while. If the Cub make the WS Chicago will go wild as they say. (cue the peeps on here to say I love the Cub; yeah I can name one player, that guy with 3 names who is a good hitter. Can't name one pitcher on the Cub. And one everyday player. Moisés Alejandro Ballesteros? The likely NL rookie of the year is a Cubs pitcher. My opinion on 'entertainment' is that I'm actually watching these games when, the last three seasons, I was tuned out by now watching the minors or reading a book or something. One might actually enjoy watching the development of Teel, Montgomery, Quero, Taylor, Leasure, Sosa, et al. The young players are exciting and their ups and downs are worthy of analysis. Unsure why you're rooting for losses and what changed in your mind. You should elaborate. I went to an end of season Sox game last year and the so-called 'fans' were rooting for a loss so they could see the L record themselves. But when Chris Flexen went 6.1 scoreless in a 7-0 win, the 'fans' went wild and gave him a standing ovation. Former Sox Carson Fulmer had a 27 ERA that game. It was a very fun game to attend. Nobody wants to watch a loser. But some are patient and might appreciate "genuine progress" as that other thread discusses. Maybe I'm wrong, that there is no progression, but I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and wrong. It's still just a game; it's entertainment. The 'pessimists' seem to be proven wrong of late though, on Crochet and Montgomery notably. On the system generally which has yet to really be proven. But I think there's no reason for you to suddenly 'change' in this way, my friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 8 hours ago, greg775 said: It's amazing how much I've changed. I used to want to win every game. Now I really want us to lose No. 100. Bring it on, please Sox, drop a few more to get to 100 again. The crazy thing is the Sox have conditioned many of us so badly that in this thread more than one person has called the team entertaining. Yeah, it's been so bad, this 97 loss season has been entertaining. Sad days on the south side. Further embarrassment to Jerry et all would be the Cub getting hot and making the WS. Chicago hasn't won in a while. If the Cub make the WS Chicago will go wild as they say. (cue the peeps on here to say I love the Cub; yeah I can name one player, that guy with 3 names who is a good hitter. Can't name one pitcher on the Cub. And one everyday player. Kyle Tucker and Cade Horton ring a bell? Seiya Suzuki? Ian Happ? Nico Hoerner? Dansby Swanson? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 I hope the team doesn't have another inactive off season. Rebuilding is no excuse for 4 straight 100-loss seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 (edited) On 9/18/2025 at 2:51 PM, waltwilliams said: Sadly, bringing back this thread, as the Sox prepare to make history again as one of the few teams to lose 100 games three years in a row. The last team to do this was the 2004-2006 Royals. It would take them seven years after 2006 to get back to .500, and eight years to get back to postseason in 2014, when they reached the World Series. Hopefully, it doesn't take that long for the Sox. The amazing part is that in the last 70 years the Royals, Rockies and soon to be White sox are the only teams without the excuse of being expansion teams to do this. I’d be shocked if Rockies don’t get to 4 next year too. That franchise is beyond screwed Edited September 22 by whitesoxfan99 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 10 hours ago, greg775 said: It's amazing how much I've changed. I used to want to win every game. Now I really want us to lose No. 100. Bring it on, please Sox, drop a few more to get to 100 again. The crazy thing is the Sox have conditioned many of us so badly that in this thread more than one person has called the team entertaining. Yeah, it's been so bad, this 97 loss season has been entertaining. Sad days on the south side. Further embarrassment to Jerry et all would be the Cub getting hot and making the WS. Chicago hasn't won in a while. If the Cub make the WS Chicago will go wild as they say. (cue the peeps on here to say I love the Cub; yeah I can name one player, that guy with 3 names who is a good hitter. Can't name one pitcher on the Cub. And one everyday player. Uh huh, right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 1 hour ago, Highland said: I hope the team doesn't have another inactive off season. Rebuilding is no excuse for 4 straight 100-loss seasons. Sign Bieber, Merrill Kelly, Naylor and 2 relievers, keep your draft picks and try to be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 1 hour ago, Highland said: I hope the team doesn't have another inactive off season. Rebuilding is no excuse for 4 straight 100-loss seasons. I think it's going to be inactive. They really need pitching, but I don't see them addressing that through big FA spending. The uncertainty around 2027 also probably leads to some hesitancy. If you try to make the optimal offense with what we have and how we think they operate, it looks something like this. C - Teel / Quero / Lee 1B - Sosa 2B - Meidroth SS - Montgomery 3B - Vargas LF - OPEN CF - Robert RF - Tauchman DH - Benintendi / Quero / Teel They really need to get more power onto this team whether that be putting Benintendi at DH and getting a LFer or leaving Benintendi in LF and getting a DH. Outside of that, there really is nowhere to add to the offense without exploring an interesting trade. You also have the possibility of Braden Montgomery forcing his way into the OF picture at some point, but I could also see a Tauchman DFA at some point making that move doable. As far as pitching goes, they need so much improvement there. We have a number of guys coming back from injury that should be ready to get a look and also Schultz and Smith probably make their debuts at some point. They have 3 guys on this entire roster that were able to make 20+ starts, all with ERA's over 4.00. They may need to add up to 3 reliable SP's as well as some bullpen pieces and that's asking for a lot if were talking about meaningful additions. A rotation of Smith, Martin, Burke, Cannon, and Gomez with pretty much the same offense returning seems like a recipe for another 100 loss season barring EVERY young player taking another step forward, which, is not likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 38 minutes ago, T R U said: I think it's going to be inactive. They really need pitching, but I don't see them addressing that through big FA spending. The uncertainty around 2027 also probably leads to some hesitancy. If you try to make the optimal offense with what we have and how we think they operate, it looks something like this. C - Teel / Quero / Lee 1B - Sosa 2B - Meidroth SS - Montgomery 3B - Vargas LF - OPEN CF - Robert RF - Tauchman DH - Benintendi / Quero / Teel They really need to get more power onto this team whether that be putting Benintendi at DH and getting a LFer or leaving Benintendi in LF and getting a DH. Outside of that, there really is nowhere to add to the offense without exploring an interesting trade. You also have the possibility of Braden Montgomery forcing his way into the OF picture at some point, but I could also see a Tauchman DFA at some point making that move doable. As far as pitching goes, they need so much improvement there. We have a number of guys coming back from injury that should be ready to get a look and also Schultz and Smith probably make their debuts at some point. They have 3 guys on this entire roster that were able to make 20+ starts, all with ERA's over 4.00. They may need to add up to 3 reliable SP's as well as some bullpen pieces and that's asking for a lot if were talking about meaningful additions. A rotation of Smith, Martin, Burke, Cannon, and Gomez with pretty much the same offense returning seems like a recipe for another 100 loss season barring EVERY young player taking another step forward, which, is not likely. Could see Tauchman tendered and traded this offseason. Sign a cheap stop gap that you can DFA when Braden is ready. Or keep Tauchman and move him to a bench role when Braden comes up. This stuff usually sorts itself out with injuries though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 2 hours ago, Highland said: I hope the team doesn't have another inactive off season. Rebuilding is no excuse for 4 straight 100-loss seasons. They'll sign the usual bunch of cast offs, retreads, has-been's and injury prone guys because that's all JR will allow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 21 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: They'll sign the usual bunch of cast offs, retreads, has-been's and injury prone guys because that's all JR will allow. they'll also trade and trade and trade to fulfil the fan's desire for trade frenzy. It's the formula of habitual losing baseball. All of the bad teams do it. We mention spending money but what top tier free agents want to come here without overpaying? What you get is overpriced free agents like Beni. Then our trade frenzy kicks in and then the salary dump for no level prospects. No shortage of those. Keep spinning that wheel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 1 hour ago, kitekrazy said: they'll also trade and trade and trade to fulfil the fan's desire for trade frenzy. It's the formula of habitual losing baseball. All of the bad teams do it. We mention spending money but what top tier free agents want to come here without overpaying? What you get is overpriced free agents like Beni. Then our trade frenzy kicks in and then the salary dump for no level prospects. No shortage of those. Keep spinning that wheel. They have nothing of value to realistically trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 (edited) 20 minutes ago, T R U said: They have nothing of value to realistically trade. Maybe Quero...depressed. Grant Taylor or Shane Smith have some value stuffwise...arguably. Then the ongoing Robert saga. Edited September 22 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Maybe Quero...depressed. Grant Taylor or Shane Smith have some value stuffwise...arguably. Then the ongoing Robert saga. Well yeah, in general terms they have players that would be valuable if they traded but I meant more like assets to be used to improve the team. I don't expect they would trade any of Quero, Smith, or Taylor even though I think they should absolutely trade Quero for an OFer or SP upgrade of equal value. Give Teel the job and end this rotating nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 3 hours ago, kitekrazy said: they'll also trade and trade and trade to fulfil the fan's desire for trade frenzy. It's the formula of habitual losing baseball. All of the bad teams do it. We mention spending money but what top tier free agents want to come here without overpaying? What you get is overpriced free agents like Beni. Then our trade frenzy kicks in and then the salary dump for no level prospects. No shortage of those. Keep spinning that wheel. There isn’t much to trade here. Not sure what fan frenzy you mean, none of us want to see this team continually recycling 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said: There isn’t much to trade here. Not sure what fan frenzy you mean, none of us want to see this team continually recycling We're tapped on trades. We have maybe a couple vets that might bring a C+ level prospect at the deadline next year. Robert if some team is desperate maybe gets us a back end top 100 guy. The only position we could possibly trade from youth wise would be C, but then we'd be right back in the spot of if a catcher goes down you're basically filling in a replacement level guy and there's always a risk you're trading a cost controlled young player already established as a solid MLB player for guys that never pan out. There's no guarantee trading Quero gets us any closer to winning 88 games or whatever. So the easy part of Getz's job is in many ways over. He got two free years to dick around and "rebuild". He'll probably get at least 2 more before Ishbia takes over, but if we lose 100 more next year there's no fucking way there's a case to keep him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 6 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: We're tapped on trades. We have maybe a couple vets that might bring a C+ level prospect at the deadline next year. Robert if some team is desperate maybe gets us a back end top 100 guy. The only position we could possibly trade from youth wise would be C, but then we'd be right back in the spot of if a catcher goes down you're basically filling in a replacement level guy and there's always a risk you're trading a cost controlled young player already established as a solid MLB player for guys that never pan out. There's no guarantee trading Quero gets us any closer to winning 88 games or whatever. So the easy part of Getz's job is in many ways over. He got two free years to dick around and "rebuild". He'll probably get at least 2 more before Ishbia takes over, but if we lose 100 more next year there's no fucking way there's a case to keep him. Under normal circumstances I'd agree with you, but if JR is still running the show things certainly aren't "normal." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 6 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: We're tapped on trades. We have maybe a couple vets that might bring a C+ level prospect at the deadline next year. Robert if some team is desperate maybe gets us a back end top 100 guy. The only position we could possibly trade from youth wise would be C, but then we'd be right back in the spot of if a catcher goes down you're basically filling in a replacement level guy and there's always a risk you're trading a cost controlled young player already established as a solid MLB player for guys that never pan out. There's no guarantee trading Quero gets us any closer to winning 88 games or whatever. So the easy part of Getz's job is in many ways over. He got two free years to dick around and "rebuild". He'll probably get at least 2 more before Ishbia takes over, but if we lose 100 more next year there's no fucking way there's a case to keep him. Under normal circumstances I'd agree with you, but if JR is still running the show things certainly aren't "normal." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 (edited) 14 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Uh huh, right. You are a very smart person. Wonder how you whiffed so badly on this, my perceived love of the Cub. Strange you excel on many topics yet struck out on this one. You want me to swear on a stack of Bibles? I think after 30 years on the board you realize I am into religion and wouldn't lie on the Bible. Edited September 23 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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