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Sox fire Katz and Thames

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11 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Amazing to see so many coaches released after the "B" performance that was filled with positive things. 

Has nothing to do with performance.

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    Well after my rant in the other thread, maybe the Sox see the need to have coaches instead of over the hill players acting as coaches.

  • Maybe  Clevinger is going to pivot into coaching.

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    Amazing to see so many coaches released after the "B" performance that was filled with positive things. 

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38 minutes ago, fathom said:

Saw someone speculate Jerry wouldn’t let Getz fire anyone still under contract coming into 2025

Sad if true, but I think it's reasonable for the 'hitting coordinator' and bench coach/catcher whisperer to see what they have before making a quick decision. Bannister will probably play a big part in hiring a pitching coach which strikes me as reasonable. I thought Katz was pretty good overall, but he's been around for a while and I agree with the "breath of fresh air" sentiment. Fuller seemed like a good hire to me and made a difference. McKinven had a nice track record with the Brewers, but Quero was an abysmal framer and Teel wasn't much better. I think the bench coach has better things to do than work with the catchers specifically. I think they can do a lot better in both of those departments. 

Petit Bourgeois was just some guy. I can't tell what he actually did. Semi-surprised Jirschelle is sticking around if Santos is gone. I don't know what his contract situation is though. 

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5 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

I don't think it's normal for a typical pitching coach/organization to have similar before & after results Katz had with guys like Giolito, Crochet, Cease and Rodon. Every time he had success with a legitimately talented pitcher they were traded away. Fedde's career basically fell apart (again) after the Sox traded him away, FWIW. Whether you want to credit Bannister or Katz for his success is a fair question.

Maybe they should have hired his coach from Korea

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17 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Those were the ones that Venable was allowed to hire for himself i believe. This is nothing more than Venable being allowed to bring in more of his guys. Last year they didn't want to change everything at once.

You’re probably correct, but Wise was a holdover, but maybe Venable knew him.  It is interesting because there never was a hint of anything but satisfaction with the coaching staff by both Venable and Getz.

Both should have been gone last year……Santos I don’t get being let go, all I have heard is praise about him.

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18 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

Katz is one of the best organizational hires they've made in a very long time. I'd imagine he'll land on his feet quickly. Hopefully the Sox can upgrade but I am very skeptical.

Probably west coast again...

SF?  Reunited with Flaherty or Gio?

 

The SEC schools are paying the highest coaching salaries these days by far.

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2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

You’re probably correct, but Wise was a holdover, but maybe Venable knew him.  It is interesting because there never was a hint of anything but satisfaction with the coaching staff by both Venable and Getz.

Well they weren't going to talk s%*# about them. 

Watch Venable leave to replace Bochy if he retires from Texas...guess most wouldn't be all that upset one way or the other.

Would rather see Schiffren jettisoned.

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I am surprised Wise wasn’t canned cuz the bullpen has been historically bad for the last two years.

19 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Amazing to see so many coaches released after the "B" performance that was filled with positive things. 

Apparently Getz did not think this year was worth a B.

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Watch Venable leave to replace Bobby if he retires from Texas...guess most wouldn't be all that upset one way or the other.

Would rather see Schiffren jettisoned.

Didn't he say how much his wife loves Chicago? Who would want to go back to Arlington when you can live in a world class city? 

39 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Well after my rant in the other thread, maybe the Sox see the need to have coaches instead of over the hill players acting as coaches.

I kinda like it just cause the easier thing is to just do nothing and "show loyalty" -- hiring someone better requires more money and effort. Huh.

13 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

Well they weren't going to talk s%*# about them. 

For as much s%*# talking as has happened about former players, that is a pleasant surprise. 

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13 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

Well they weren't going to talk s%*# about them. 

No but stuff leaks out and this is a huge turnover. I get letting him have  his own guys, but they didn’t even let LaRussa have his own guys. Besides, if these guys all were great, they would have kept them. So there had to be issues other than Venable didnt know them. He does now.

So much for the season long stream of positive/feel good stories about Santos and that string of tear-jerking major league promotions filmed from his office.

He was expected by many to be the manager in waiting...along with Jirschele.

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1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

So much for the season long stream of positive/feel good stories about Santos and that string tear-jerking major league promotions filmed from his office.

Haha, beat me to it.  No more epic videos about how player X was Santos’s favorite player ever to coach as he told the player he was getting promoted to the majors.

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25 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Watch Venable leave to replace Bobby if he retires from Texas...guess most wouldn't be all that upset one way or the other.

Would rather see Schiffren jettisoned.

Bochy

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 Maybe  Clevinger is going to pivot into coaching.

Is Katz the only person in the organization with a four-letter last name ending in "tz" being fired?

24 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Is Katz the only person in the organization with a four-letter last name ending in "tz" being fired?

Sadly, dude isn’t gonna fire himself…

55 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

 Maybe  Clevinger is going to pivot into coaching.

Poor Balta...

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

So glad he is free to run the organization as he needs...

Not yet.  Still need to place any failures on KennyHahn for, at least, two more years.

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