WestEddy Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Finding a decent veteran starter for $5 million will be another fun roll of the dice. Relying on Gomez? I don’t see how that is even the rotation of a .500 team. Also, while some guys will continue to develop, other guys will no doubt experience a sophomore slump. Sure, that's all within the realm of possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 58 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah a lie would be: this team is going to be competitive the next 3 seasons haha that would be a lie people working for the team would say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 6 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: Slight possibility because they did have a decent second but I think they would need a few more pieces. They finished tied for 22nd in the second half. Not really that decent. https://champsorchumps.us/summary/mlb/2025/after-all-star-break 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted October 28 Author Share Posted October 28 3 hours ago, WestEddy said: That's exactly what I was going to say. My own thought is they'll win in the mid-to-upper 70s next season and competing for the division in 2027. They might be "really good" in 2028. He has them two whole years behind that. Doubtful and who knows there may not even be a season in 2027. I have a very hard time thinking this bunch especially with a limited rotation and an atrocious bullpen is going to go from 60 to 75 wins myself but you do you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: They played .430 ball after the ASB. That rounds up to 70 wins over 162. Next season's rotation probably looks something like Shane Smith, Davis Martin, Gomez, Grant Taylor and a wily, cheap veteran. Burke probably competes for a spot, too. I contend that the same team develops further and adds 5+ wins to their 2nd half performance level. You seem to be implying that they won't be able to run a pitcher out there who can do better than Jon Cannon's -0.5 bWAR. That was a weird rule change where MLB stopped letting baseball teams add players in the off-season. LoL. Sure, and Colson will maintain a Ohtani/Schwarber/Raleigh HR pace as well.... They need three starters. Burke Cannon and Gomez can't be relied upon. One might be Thorpe eventually... but no sure thing there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 (edited) Sasaki with a tightrope act...Freeman and Edman preserve the tie. Hoffman in a non-closing situation. Ohtani with a shot at a walk off. Or Betts or Freeman. Ohtani steal if walked? Edited October 28 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: LoL. Sure, and Colson will maintain a Ohtani/Schwarber/Raleigh HR pace as well.... They need three starters. Burke Cannon and Gomez can't be relied upon. One might be Thorpe eventually... but no sure thing there. Burke, Cannon and Gomez were worth half a win between the three of them. I guess it's fun to pretend there is no way for a team to do better than that, they'll plug in 3 ineffective starting pitchers, and nobody will step up and outperform them. That's essentially the logic you're using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 5 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Burke, Cannon and Gomez were worth half a win between the three of them. I guess it's fun to pretend there is no way for a team to do better than that, they'll plug in 3 ineffective starting pitchers, and nobody will step up and outperform them. That's essentially the logic you're using. The same logic applies to the White Sox not being the 29th or 30th team in MLB every season. Or relying on Rule 5 picks every year to fill out a staff. No team in modern baseball has pulled that off two consecutive years.. adding starting rotation pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The same logic applies to the White Sox not being the 29th or 30th team in MLB every season. Or relying on Rule 5 picks every year to fill out a staff. No team in modern baseball has pulled that off two consecutive years.. adding starting rotation pieces. You're not making an argument, now. The World Series isn't even over. There's an entire off-season to play out. You're assuming they will acquire nobody, will plug in the same 5 guys who finished the season in the rotation, and not replace them if they fail. They don't need to pick two winning Powerball tickets in the Rule 5 again. I'm really not even sure what you're arguing. I think I've explained my reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 (edited) 46 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Burke, Cannon and Gomez were worth half a win between the three of them. I guess it's fun to pretend there is no way for a team to do better than that, they'll plug in 3 ineffective starting pitchers, and nobody will step up and outperform them. That's essentially the logic you're using. The cheap White Sox aren’t going to give up on Burke in the rotation. I would say he’s probably a lock if he stays healthy through ST. They will probably sign one veteran starter for around $5 million and sign multiple cheap options for next to nothing to compete with guys like Cannon and Gomez for the backend. The rotation is going to look like a rotation that bad teams have. Edited October 28 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: The cheap White Sox aren’t going to give up on Burke in the rotation. I would say he’s probably a lock if he stays healthy through ST. They will probably sign one veteran starter for around $5 million and sign multiple cheap options for next to nothing to compete with guys like Cannon and Gomez for the fourth and fifth spots. The rotation is going to look like a rotation that bad teams have. I agree with this. And they're going to be serious in the Rule 5. They're not going to spend money. But they're not going to keep running guys out there who aren't producing. In 2024, they had no depth. Last year, they had no depth but played the waiver wire well. Next year, they'll have group of pitchers to pick from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 (edited) 5 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I agree with this. And they're going to be serious in the Rule 5. They're not going to spend money. But they're not going to keep running guys out there who aren't producing. In 2024, they had no depth. Last year, they had no depth but played the waiver wire well. Next year, they'll have group of pitchers to pick from. Sadly, not caring about depth has been a White Sox game for years. Hell, how often would they play a man short to avoid calling a player up and save a few bucks? And as well as they did in the Rule 5 last year, there’s no way you can count on those guys. Edited October 28 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 13 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Sadly, not caring about depth has been a White Sox game for years. Hell, how often would they play a man short to avoid calling a player up and save a few bucks? And as well as they did in the Rule 5 last year, there’s no way you can count on those guys. But do they do that? I think the most craven reason I've heard was the Sox used to not use the DL to keep their league numbers better. They'll keep a guy on the bench for a couple of days in the hope that he heals up, and the starter is worth more for 10 days than a replacement player is for 15. This year, they've even called a guy up for a single game, then demoted him just to have that 26th guy the one game before Robert came off the IL, or something. If they've tried to save one day of league minimum salary in the past, I'm unaware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 15 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said: They finished tied for 22nd in the second half. Not really that decent. https://champsorchumps.us/summary/mlb/2025/after-all-star-break I actually thought they were better than that, now I remember we had a long losing streak at the end that put a kibosh on things including avoiding 100 losses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoUEvenShift Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 16 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Sasaki with a tightrope act...Freeman and Edman preserve the tie. Hoffman in a non-closing situation. Ohtani with a shot at a walk off. Or Betts or Freeman. Ohtani steal if walked? Caulfield you are pulling a Caulfield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 35 minutes ago, DoUEvenShift said: Caulfield you are pulling a Caulfield At least my prediction of an Ohtani steal attempt was correct. Just couldn't hold the bag with his momentum pulling him off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 On 10/27/2025 at 7:21 PM, WestEddy said: Antonacci, B. Monty, Schultz, McDougal, and they get Thorpe and Adams back. Anyone of those guys could have a breakout season with the Sox. The Blue Jays Trey Yesavage started game 1 and is starting tonight in game 5 off the World Series, let that sink in, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted October 29 Author Share Posted October 29 3 hours ago, Falstaff said: Anyone of those guys could have a breakout season with the Sox. The Blue Jays Trey Yesavage started game 1 and is starting tonight in game 5 off the World Series, let that sink in, If any of those guys did so that would be a big help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 On 10/27/2025 at 11:18 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: The cheap White Sox aren’t going to give up on Burke in the rotation. I would say he’s probably a lock if he stays healthy through ST. They will probably sign one veteran starter for around $5 million and sign multiple cheap options for next to nothing to compete with guys like Cannon and Gomez for the backend. The rotation is going to look like a rotation that bad teams have. Burke is still a young guy with good stuff. I would not give up on him..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 6 hours ago, Falstaff said: Anyone of those guys could have a breakout season with the Sox. The Blue Jays Trey Yesavage started game 1 and is starting tonight in game 5 off the World Series, let that sink in, Yesavage is on another level than any of these guys, and still his jump is massive outlier. Sox are going to need a lot more than a breakout season or two to even sniff .500. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champagne030 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 22 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Yesavage is on another level than any of these guys, and still his jump is massive outlier. Sox are going to need a lot more than a breakout season or two to even sniff .500. Boy Wonder needed Hagen over him and several others….. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Three years is a long time to enter contention. Geez. Watching the playoffs and series it reiterates the idea of a good bullpen now are guys that throw blazing fastballs that hitters foul off then finally whiff on (or the rare offspeed pitch). Do the Sox have a plethora of minor league young arms right now that fit that bill? Anyhow saying 3 years is suggesting we stink and will stink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted October 29 Author Share Posted October 29 10 minutes ago, greg775 said: Three years is a long time to enter contention. Geez. Watching the playoffs and series it reiterates the idea of a good bullpen now are guys that throw blazing fastballs that hitters foul off then finally whiff on (or the rare offspeed pitch). Do the Sox have a plethora of minor league young arms right now that fit that bill? Anyhow saying 3 years is suggesting we stink and will stink. They will still stink...just maybe not quite as bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 7 hours ago, 2Deep said: Burke is still a young guy with good stuff. I would not give up on him..... I wouldn’t either. Just saying I think his spot in the rotation is locked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 Yawn 🥱 another 100 losses 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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