Robert Thread: Sox talking to Reds, Mets

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

5 hours ago, SkokieSox said:

$10 million and hefty incentives based on health and performance 

Even with Boras this seems fair with some kind of mutual option. 

If other teams are expecting the Sox to pay half then the problem is they dont think the odds of him reaching his upside hitting and health is worth even 1 decent prospects or even 2 mediocre ones. 

$10M for maybe 100 games of above average fielding and baserunning with low OBP and inconsistent power and incentives basedd on games played and offensive performance might be worth another $3-7M that you doubt you'll end up paying but not multiple prospects. Teams would rather gamble with incentive money if he performs than pay with prospects up front and end up with  Anderson/Moncada/Jimenez downside clone performance. 

[WestEddy]

15 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

If his market value right now is 1/$10M, then there is zero chance of trading him for anything of value.  I just can’t accept in one of the worst CF markets I have ever seen, a guy like Robert would have the same market value as Aroldis García and would only get $5M more than Lane Thomas.

I've argued all along that right now, he's a 2 WAR/162 games CF. That's worth, what, $15M? I don't think Michael A. Taylor ever made over $5M, and he had a nice, short run of 3+ WAR seasons. Robert has that elite ceiling, I know. Crochet moved quickly, as the league saw his potential as a pitcher and health-wise. The league seems to be telling us they're not going to bite for prospects and taking on Robert's full contract. Or maybe they were just waiting for Taylor and Bellinger to come off the board so they could reassess. 

[GreenSox]

1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Everyone’s favorite corner OF Michael Conforto got $17M from the Dodgers a year ago despite coming off a 1.3 fWAR season and lacking the upside of Luis.

Key word.
And we’re not just asking for a team just to pay salary, but to also dispatch some quality young talent in return.
Get teams like Reds, Pirates, Mariners interested, or we’ll be down to a choice of whether to take or leave Mets’ utility players.

[Bob Sacamano]

11 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Key word.
And we’re not just asking for a team just to pay salary, but to also dispatch some quality young talent in return.
Get teams like Reds, Pirates, Mariners interested, or we’ll be down to a choice of whether to take or leave Mets’ utility players.

Yeah, I was going to say they probably way overbid themselves on that one because they just don’t care about money but didn’t bother until someone else said it haha

[Dick Allen]

I never really understood his option being picked up. There are enough health and performance questions and the salary is large enough for enough teams where even if he shines, it’s a pennies on the dollar return. And if they keep him and he rakes, it won’t mean a playoff spot. Even though I am probably one of the biggest fans of his talent, this seams like a total waste of money, which is usually business as usual for White Sox off season acquisitions, just not $20 million a year.i can’t see them trading him now, they would have to eat money for mediocre prospects. Maybe he plays well enough to make them at least interesting to watch.