White Sox tender Derek Hill, non-tender Cam Booser, Tim Elko, & Mike Tauchman

[Lip Man 1]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

No, the point is that many teams, even about a quarter of playoff teams, got crap production from their outfield. It's fun to pretend 29 teams are running 3 All-Stars out there and have two more sitting on the bench in order to crap on the White Sox. That's pure fantasy. 

Westy: I was talking about the franchise in general terms. I wasn't specifically referring to the outfield (which for years has been brutal. Hell before Robert the Sox couldn't find a good center fielder or right fielder to save their souls).

For years you hear the same BS in spring training, "We're working on fundamentals. Spending a lot of time on them."

Then the regular season starts and it's missed cut off's, botched run-down's, inability to advance runners or score runners from third with less than two outs, awful stupid base running and guys who can't hit their weight."

Ergo my comment about finding guys who can catch the ball AND hit.

But please carry on. 

[WestEddy]

5 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Westy: I was talking about the franchise in general terms. I wasn't specifically referring to the outfield (which for years has been brutal. Hell before Robert the Sox couldn't find a good center fielder or right fielder to save their souls).

For years you hear the same BS in spring training, "We're working on fundamentals. Spending a lot of time on them."

Then the regular season starts and it's missed cut off's, botched run-down's, inability to advance runners or score runners from third with less than two outs, awful stupid base running and guys who can't hit their weight."

Ergo my comment about finding guys who can catch the ball AND hit.

But please carry on. 

You said the Sox can't do something other teams do. I just pointed out to you that other teams have black holes at positions, even playoff clubs. Every other org doesn't field teams of 26 robots who don't make mistakes. Every team stresses fundamentals in spring training, and every team makes errors during the season and post-season. Dave Dombrowski's Phillies were ushered out of the playoffs on a very fundamental error. Maybe Dave Dombrowski should go to Orion Kerkering's house this winter and drill him on ground balls for the offseason. 

But you do you. 

[Lip Man 1]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

You said the Sox can't do something other teams do. I just pointed out to you that other teams have black holes at positions, even playoff clubs. Every other org doesn't field teams of 26 robots who don't make mistakes. Every team stresses fundamentals in spring training, and every team makes errors during the season and post-season. Dave Dombrowski's Phillies were ushered out of the playoffs on a very fundamental error. Maybe Dave Dombrowski should go to Orion Kerkering's house this winter and drill him on ground balls for the offseason. 

But you do you. 

I'd be more than happy to lose a playoff series due to an error because that would mean the Sox actually GOT to the postseason.

And I'm guessing the Phillies weren't near the bottom of MLB in defensive metrics or number of errors/ unearned runs et al unlike the Sox who have been near the bottom for literally years.

Feel free to keep trying though, remember everything seems to be fine for a franchise that has lost 100+ games for three straight years. 

 

  

Edited November 29 by Lip Man 1

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

You said the Sox can't do something other teams do. I just pointed out to you that other teams have black holes at positions, even playoff clubs. Every other org doesn't field teams of 26 robots who don't make mistakes. Every team stresses fundamentals in spring training, and every team makes errors during the season and post-season. Dave Dombrowski's Phillies were ushered out of the playoffs on a very fundamental error. Maybe Dave Dombrowski should go to Orion Kerkering's house this winter and drill him on ground balls for the offseason. 

But you do you. 

I can't imagine what you would be like as an Eagles' message board poster.

Two Super Bowls in the last four, including knocking off the "dynastic" Chiefs and quasi-GOAT Mahomes and yet they've resorted to loudly booing Hurts Sirianni Barkley from the very first failed offensive possession at home and leaving the stadium early in droves when down just two scores.

When their team came into the game at 8-3 and still pretty much assured of a playoff spot now at 8-4 with just five games remaining.

 

Remember when the White Sox were getting mock cheers for nearing the all-time loss record in late 2024 and Benintendi finally showed some fire and got pissed off at Sox fans?

Fun times.

 

Really can't imagine the shock value if those two franchises (Phils and Sox) had switched cities since the original Harper FA deal.

[caulfield12]

8 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

I be more than happy to lose a playoff series due to an error because that would mean the Sox actually GOT to the postseason.

And I'm guessing the Phillies weren't near the bottom of MLB in defensive metrics or number of errors/ unearned runs et al unlike the Sox who have been near the bottom for literally years.

Feel free to keep trying though, remember everything seems to be fine for a franchise that has lost 100+ games for three straight years. 

 

  

Sox fans are so starved for winning that Jerry Dybzinski and Tito Landrum are more famous in team history forty years later than any of the current players.

Meanwhile, Dodgers' fans simply believed "winning was their destiny" simply due to having the most talented and most expensive team...and few even remember Kerkering's name after that historic WS.

[WestEddy]

20 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

I'd be more than happy to lose a playoff series due to an error because that would mean the Sox actually GOT to the postseason.

And I'm guessing the Phillies weren't near the bottom of MLB in defensive metrics or number of errors/ unearned runs et al unlike the Sox who have been near the bottom for literally years.

Feel free to keep trying though, remember everything seems to be fine for a franchise that has lost 100+ games for three straight years. 

 

  

LOL. No you wouldn't. You're not happy when they win. 

My point stands. 29 teams don't run 3 All-Stars out there with 2 more on the bench. The Sox are in a rebuild. They will get better, regardless of when Ishbia takes over. 

[southsider2k5]

6 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The Sox strive to be mediocre.

When you are a combined 122 games under .500 for 2 seasons, mediocre is a large improvement. 

[southsider2k5]

5 hours ago, WestEddy said:

No, the point is that many teams, even about a quarter of playoff teams, got crap production from their outfield. It's fun to pretend 29 teams are running 3 All-Stars out there and have two more sitting on the bench in order to crap on the White Sox. That's pure fantasy. 

And yet they STILL managed to trail Cleveland by 28 games this year.

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

And yet they STILL managed to trail Cleveland by 28 games this year.

But their outfield was mediocre, same as the Sox!  Nothing else matters!

Edited November 29 by WhiteSox2023

[WhiteSox2023]

Hyping up a piece of s%*# team must feel like a full-time job.  I sincerely hope WE is retired.

Edited November 29 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Hyping up a piece of s%*# team must feel like a full-time job.  I sincerely hope WE is retired.

Dude, I'll be dealing with the rentals, and you and Liptak are on every string, making sure to piss on every non-critical post. Look in the mirror.

[WhiteSox2023]

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Dude, I'll be dealing with the rentals, and you and Liptak are on every string, making sure to piss on every non-critical post. Look in the mirror.

I looked in the mirror.  The Sox still suck and so does Getz.  🤣

[WestEddy]

32 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I looked in the mirror.  The Sox still suck and so does Getz.  🤣

As do you. I hope you had a good Thanksgiving, and a good Bears' win. 

[WhiteSox2023]

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

As do you. I hope you had a good Thanksgiving, and a good Bears' win. 

Nah, gonna have a good time watching my oldest son play for a state football championship in a few days.  Much better than relying on the Sox or Bears for enjoyment, sad to say.

Edited November 29 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Nah, gonna have a good time watching my son play for a state football championship in a few days.  Much better than relying on the Sox or Bears for enjoyment, sad to say.

No, deriving joy from anything concerning your son is eons beyond corporate sports BS. I envy you. Good luck. 

[WhiteSox2023]

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

No, deriving joy from anything concerning your son is eons beyond corporate sports BS. I envy you. Good luck. 

Thanks!  I guess it makes all their expenses worth it.  🤣

That’s a good point about “corporate sports BS”.  I have never considered the Sox to be that, just cuz they are my local team.  But you are right.

BTW, I’d believe in the Sox more if you submitted your resume to Jerry, à la @WBWSF.  I’d have more faith in you than Getz as GM.  Please write a letter, but you will have to beat out @WBWSF first.  You will need a better strategy than non-stop free agency spending.  😉

Edited November 29 by WhiteSox2023

[Chicago White Sox]

Coming off an extended break from the White Sox, can someone please fill me in on what our plan is for this offseason?  

Why did we just let Tauchman go despite him having some value as a rotational piece at minimum?  Who the f*** is Derek Hill and why did we tender him instead?

Are there any rumors out there on what else we plan to do?

I’ve got to be honest, the little I have seen so far (I know it’s very early) hasn’t instilled much excitement and my expectations were pretty low to begin with.  I get we are stuck with limited spending until Jerry is gone, but I would expect at least a couple of decent vets added on shorter term deals given the fact we have almost zero payroll commitments and the fact we can’t get a top 10 pick again.

[Lip Man 1]

43 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Coming off an extended break from the White Sox, can someone please fill me in on what our plan is for this offseason?  

Why did we just let Tauchman go despite him having some value as a rotational piece at minimum?  Who the f*** is Derek Hill and why did we tender him instead?

Are there any rumors out there on what else we plan to do?

I’ve got to be honest, the little I have seen so far (I know it’s very early) hasn’t instilled much excitement and my expectations were pretty low to begin with.  I get we are stuck with limited spending until Jerry is gone, but I would expect at least a couple of decent vets added on shorter term deals given the fact we have almost zero payroll commitments and the fact we can’t get a top 10 pick again.

As far as the plan Getz has said some things to the media about self-improvement (for wont of a better term) from the young players and "building from within."

With the lockout coming the belief is JR has told him no contracts longer than a single year which automatically rules out any good free agents.

More than likely the plan will be to look for pieces that could be dealt at the trade deadline for prospects. 

Some call that "dumpster diving" which isn't inaccurate in my opinion.

You are correct nothing really changes until JR is gone from the organization along with his lackeys and ass-kissers. 

My guess with Tauchman is because he is in his mid-30's has been injured often and they think he won't stay healthy enough to repeat his production. 

Hill supposedly gives them a guy who can play center field when Robert is either traded or gets injured. Hill of course can't hit worth a damn. 

Edited Saturday at 06:10 PM by Lip Man 1

[Tnetennba]

2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Coming off an extended break from the White Sox, can someone please fill me in on what our plan is for this offseason?  

Why did we just let Tauchman go despite him having some value as a rotational piece at minimum?  Who the f*** is Derek Hill and why did we tender him instead?

Are there any rumors out there on what else we plan to do?

I’ve got to be honest, the little I have seen so far (I know it’s very early) hasn’t instilled much excitement and my expectations were pretty low to begin with.  I get we are stuck with limited spending until Jerry is gone, but I would expect at least a couple of decent vets added on shorter term deals given the fact we have almost zero payroll commitments and the fact we can’t get a top 10 pick again.

They don’t even have a concept of a plan…

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, Tnetennba said:

They don’t even have a concept of a plan…

Rule V, baby!!!

[The Beast]

8 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Coming off an extended break from the White Sox, can someone please fill me in on what our plan is for this offseason?  

Why did we just let Tauchman go despite him having some value as a rotational piece at minimum?  Who the f*** is Derek Hill and why did we tender him instead?

Are there any rumors out there on what else we plan to do?

I’ve got to be honest, the little I have seen so far (I know it’s very early) hasn’t instilled much excitement and my expectations were pretty low to begin with.  I get we are stuck with limited spending until Jerry is gone, but I would expect at least a couple of decent vets added on shorter term deals given the fact we have almost zero payroll commitments and the fact we can’t get a top 10 pick again.

I thought Tauchman was affordable and was arbitration eligible so he was worth the money. Injury and age concerns make sense, but not for Derek Hill.

I don’t really understand what the front office is trying to accomplish. It is one thing to find players on a short term deal, but it is another thing to find players on a one year deal on a shoestring budget. 

I hope Brooke Fletcher, Connor McKnight and Chuck Garfien are right in that the front office is seeking reclamation projects. At this team needs players with some upside instead of just the youth movement on this team. Just don’t spend the money on Grandal and Keuchel types and find some players with some upside and value.

[WhiteSox2023]

8 minutes ago, The Beast said:

I thought Tauchman was affordable and was arbitration eligible so he was worth the money. Injury and age concerns make sense, but not for Derek Hill.

I don’t really understand what the front office is trying to accomplish. It is one thing to find players on a short term deal, but it is another thing to find players on a one year deal on a shoestring budget. 

I hope Brooke Fletcher, Connor McKnight and Chuck Garfien are right in that the front office is seeking reclamation projects. At this team needs players with some upside instead of just the youth movement on this team. Just don’t spend the money on Grandal and Keuchel types and find some players with some upside and value.

Status quo.  Being cheap and bad.

[kitekrazy]

5 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

 

More than likely the plan will be to look for pieces that could be dealt at the trade deadline for prospects. 

Some call that "dumpster diving" which isn't inaccurate in my opinion.

it's called the never ending cheap ass way of habitual losing.......reserved for baseball

you can get away with it with great scouting and development and have great seasons but flat post seasons and be like the Brewers or not so long ago Rays......they are just superior farm systems for large markets as well

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Status quo.  Being cheap and bad.

They're spending.

Unfortunately it's all on Robert and Benintendi.

And the current goal seems to be to dump Robert as quickly as possible for a "reasonable" return without sending money they don't have out as a subsidy.

Dubious plan.

[WhiteSox2023]

6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

They're spending.

Unfortunately it's all on Robert and Benintendi.

And the current goal seems to be to dump Robert as quickly as possible for a "reasonable" return without sending money they don't have out as a subsidy.

Dubious plan.

I think another team will be paying for Robert sooner rather than later and they are only paying Benintendi because they have to.  The opening day payroll is going to be embarrassingly low.