Sox hire Carlos Rodriguez for Assistant GM role

[chitownsportsfan]

we need larry from SSS to post one of his dead horses and lock the thread.

[WhiteSox2023]

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I suppose having a job is a promotion from not having a job, so technically, he's right. 

Supposedly he stepped down but who really knows?

https://www.wfla.com/sports/rays/rays-vice-president-announces-departure-after-15-years/

[WestEddy]

Just now, WhiteSox2023 said:

Supposedly he stepped down but who really knows?

https://www.wfla.com/sports/rays/rays-vice-president-announces-departure-after-15-years/

Fegan reports that he'll help with player and agent relations and 40-man management. 

[WhiteSox2023]

1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said:

we need larry from SSS to post one of his dead horses and lock the thread.

Whatever happened to that guy?  He still around?

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Sounds like Getz managed up in order to clean house, remake the entire organization. I'm sure Getz has gone over plans and budgets with Reinsdorf and has parameters he will act within. No, the job of the GM is not to force the owner of the team into bankruptcy. 

Rodriguez was Asst GM in TB, and he's asst GM here. A good boss is confident hiring people more knowledgeable and experienced than they are. 

When you resort to name-calling, you lose credibility. You should incorporate that fact into your Ted-talk. 

Bankruptcy 😂

Name calling? Are you Chris Getz? The way you defend Getz is honestly worthy of a restraining order pal.

Telling some guy who doesn't want to invest in the team that he'll cut spending to the floor if he just gives him a few pennies (relatively) for some tech and back office resources is not managing up.

11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Who is he offering a promotion to?

I can't speak for the titles and levels within the Rays, but his role is expanded with the White Sox, there are fewer VP's/aGM's around him increasing his scope of impact and responsibility, and dare I say the path to GM with the White Sox is much cleaner/more possible than the path to GM of the Rays. Maybe they promised or stated he was next up. Either way, without knowing the details I'd be skeptical that he was moving over without an enhancement of money and responsibility. 

Edit: He was also unemployed.

Edited 9 hours ago by Look at Ray Ray Run

[almagest]

1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Supposedly he stepped down but who really knows?

https://www.wfla.com/sports/rays/rays-vice-president-announces-departure-after-15-years/

If so, probably saw the writing on the wall there and wanted to move on. Seems like a lot of the really good front office talent is gone from the Rays now, plus their impending sale likely means a lot of changes at the top.

[chitownsportsfan]

3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Whatever happened to that guy?  He still around?

I think he might have died. He was over at Jim's site for a year or two after SSS cratered but I haven't seen him recently. His twitter is still up.

He was always good for pouring cold water over the White Sox org.

[DoUEvenShift]

5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Whatever happened to that guy?  He still around?

That pic fits extra well in the thread considering that's Jared from Subway and Wander Franco came up. 

[WhiteSox2023]

3 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I think he might have died. He was over at Jim's site for a year or two after SSS cratered but I haven't seen him recently. His twitter is still up.

He was always good for pouring cold water over the White Sox org.

Looks like he’s still tweeting within the past day, unless that’s someone else.  Hopefully, Larry is alive and well.  He was always a funny fucker.

Edited 8 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

6 minutes ago, almagest said:

If so, probably saw the writing on the wall there and wanted to move on. Seems like a lot of the really good front office talent is gone from the Rays now, plus their impending sale likely means a lot of changes at the top.

I think this makes a lot of sense too for a departure. Transition period for Rays, he maybe not being considered for top positions/roles and uncertain of his future there. 

[almagest]

3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I think this makes a lot of sense too for a departure. Transition period for Rays, he maybe not being considered for top positions/roles and uncertain of his future there. 

Right - go somewhere else, establish you can get some good stuff done there and get your name back in the GM consideration carousel

[WestEddy]

12 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Bankruptcy 😂

Name calling? Are you Chris Getz? The way you defend Getz is honestly worthy of a restraining order pal.

Telling some guy who doesn't want to invest in the team that he'll cut spending to the floor if he just gives him a few pennies (relatively) for some tech and back office resources is not managing up.

Ho hum. Let me know when you have something interesting to say. Other than that, this is all on the level of your "Vinny Capra is better than Shane Smith because Capra was on Milwaukee's 40-man when the Sox took Smith in the Rule 5" malarkey. 

[WestEddy]

11 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I think he might have died. He was over at Jim's site for a year or two after SSS cratered but I haven't seen him recently. His twitter is still up.

He was always good for pouring cold water over the White Sox org.

Larry had a kid, and I'm not sure if he was invited to make the move back to SoxMachine with Jim and the gang. He was always kind of SSS loyal, but there's really not a lot to work with, there, anymore. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What’s funny is we now know with certainty that KW & Hahn hadn’t invested in the technology & analytics to have a successful player development function, yet many here seem to feel that’s all somehow Getz’s fault.  We know the results from that function sucked during his tenure as its head…that is perfectly evident.  And during that time I certainly blamed him for the poor results.  But when seeing all the major infrastructure changes made since becoming GM, it’s easier to believe he was handcuffed by a pair of leaders above who have proven to be incompetent.

Im impressed that under further review you can say your initial take on Getz was lacking evidence to draw any meaningful insight.

It's also something that most angry fans hardly ever admit that their ignorance in things that go on behind the scenes is not always a simple, defining equation of guilt . Kudos ! In court its called circumstantial evidence.

Edited 8 hours ago by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[southsider2k5]

33 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Sounds like Getz managed up in order to clean house, remake the entire organization. I'm sure Getz has gone over plans and budgets with Reinsdorf and has parameters he will act within. No, the job of the GM is not to force the owner of the team into bankruptcy. 

Rodriguez was Asst GM in TB, and he's asst GM here. A good boss is confident hiring people more knowledgeable and experienced than they are. 

When you resort to name-calling, you lose credibility. You should incorporate that fact into your Ted-talk. 

I assume you will keep this energy in your own posts.

[southsider2k5]

23 minutes ago, almagest said:

If so, probably saw the writing on the wall there and wanted to move on. Seems like a lot of the really good front office talent is gone from the Rays now, plus their impending sale likely means a lot of changes at the top.

Reading a couple of the posted articles, dude probably was mad he didn't get the promotion, saw his road blocked, and took the off ramp.  That's what most people do who feel they have management they don't want to work with.  This should be a great opportunity for him, assuming ownership doesn't roadblock him.

[Nardiwashere]

Its funny how news of a hire with universal approval still results in the usual suspects trying to shoehorn in criticisms of Getz for 6 pages. 

[WhiteSox2023]

5 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Its funny how news of a hire with universal approval still results in the usual suspects trying to shoehorn in criticisms of Getz for 6 pages. 

That can happen when the guy that was hired to be Getz’s assistant GM appears to be more qualified to be the Sox GM than Getz himself.

Edited 8 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

That can happen when the guy that was hired to be Getz’s assistant GM appears to be more qualified to be the Sox GM than Getz himself.

With a good GM, most of his hires will appear to be more qualified. 

[Chick Mercedes]

4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

That can happen when the guy that was hired to be Getz’s assistant GM appears to be more qualified to be the Sox GM than Getz himself.

Getz was a Trojan Horse of basic competence. We were bamboozled. But this should be easy. Just copy Ryan Poles’s plan, but don’t copy any of his work until last year.

[Chick Mercedes]

4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

With a good GM, most of his hires will appear to be more qualified. 

That can’t be the basic rules. But it is a quantum theory outcome that by definition does exist.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

1 hour ago, Nardiwashere said:

Its funny how news of a hire with universal approval still results in the usual suspects trying to shoehorn in criticisms of Getz for 6 pages. 

And it will continue. Not expecting a 90% approval rating. He done good and questionably things. 

Even though Ive been at the forefront of the give him a chance he's trying to change something thats been bad a very long time brigade, theres still no money left for the roster. 

It seems like with JR he's given up trying to compete which he's already admitted about the current location of the team without a support village of moneymaking attractions around it. 

So more money than usual is going into infrastructure. That's the complete opposite of how JR used to operate where the 26 man roster was  the focus based on the money mostly from attendance and TV advertising, merchandising etc. 

JR crys poor when he can't treat both with equal attention. Its only infrastructure now because it takes less money to support then a roster that requires more than half a billion dollars to compete. Ohtani was $700M alone and the Dodgers have to pay many many other players over the length of that 10 year contract with $68M deferred annually .

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

With a good GM, most of his hires will appear to be more qualified. 

Sure, just like Theo Epstein until he got bored with the job and needed something bigger in scope.

I guess?

[caulfield12]

53 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

And it will continue. Not expecting a 90% approval rating. He done good and questionably things. 

Even though Ive been at the forefront of the give him a chance he's trying to change something thats been bad a very long time brigade, theres still no money left for the roster. 

It seems like with JR he's given up trying to compete which he's already admitted about the current location of the team without a support village of moneymaking attractions around it. 

So more money than usual is going into infrastructure. That's the complete opposite of how JR used to operate where the 26 man roster was  the focus based on the money mostly from attendance and TV advertising, merchandising etc. 

JR crys poor when he can't treat both with equal attention. Its only infrastructure now because it takes less money to support then a roster that requires more than half a billion dollars to compete. Ohtani was $700M alone and the Dodgers have to pay many many other players over the length of that 10 year contract with $68M deferred annually .

The majority of their big contracts now have deferred money...it's at least creative.

It's also the smartest way to operate (especially for teams with current cash crunches like the Twins, Marlins or Cincy) until it's disallowed or the numbers on current year payroll are much more punitive than $46 million vs. $70 million for each Ohtani contract year.

[Autumn Dreamin]

Definitely seems like the international side is his specialty. Wonder if he was drawn more by the AGM title or maybe the opportunity to expand his responsibilities/experience beyond that.