What the hell is even the argument going on in here? Oh no the Sox might have two incredibly good players in the top 10 of prospects by this time next year. 

28 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

What the hell is even the argument going on in here? Oh no the Sox might have two incredibly good players in the top 10 of prospects by this time next year. 

Could Bonemer ever play well enough and be ranked high enough to get the Sox to go under for maybe a more versatile player like LeBron who could conceivably play CF if necessary? Of course this requires a great deal of circumstances like LeBron playing lights out, and Becoming closer to Roch 

2 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Could Bonemer ever play well enough and be ranked high enough to get the Sox to go under for maybe a more versatile player like LeBron who could conceivably play CF if necessary? Of course this requires a great deal of circumstances like LeBron playing lights out, and Becoming closer to Roch 

I think Emerson has the best shot of making it a tough choice for the Sox.

32 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

What the hell is even the argument going on in here? Oh no the Sox might have two incredibly good players in the top 10 of prospects by this time next year. 

Who is arguing? I swear some of you dont understand how a forum works. 

Imagine if every thread led to "agree, thanks for sharing!" Over and over.

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I think Emerson has the best shot of making it a tough choice for the Sox.

Reports I've read have Emerson more advanced than Cholowsky was at that age. He is a possibility.

5 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Reports I've read have Emerson more advanced than Cholowsky was at that age. He is a possibility.

Him and Caleb have that in common then 😂

Edited January 31Jan 31 by Look at Ray Ray Run

1 hour ago, ptatc said:

Reports I've read have Emerson more advanced than Cholowsky was at that age. He is a possibility.

I like him more than Cholowsky personally but I know that's a small group of us. Elite speed. Power potential is crazy too. 

On 1/29/2026 at 12:00 PM, nrockway said:

they called me crazy when I said Bonemer was the best player in the system and placing Carlson above him in lists was patently false.

I still think Schultz is the best player in the system but he really needs a bounce back.

2 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Could Bonemer ever play well enough and be ranked high enough to get the Sox to go under for maybe a more versatile player like LeBron who could conceivably play CF if necessary? Of course this requires a great deal of circumstances like LeBron playing lights out, and Becoming closer to Roch 

Getz has talked about not getting "too cute" with the first pick including drafting for positional need (and also noted being able to move shortstops around as needed). Pretty confident they will just take their BPA.

1 hour ago, SoxAce said:

I like him more than Cholowsky personally but I know that's a small group of us. Elite speed. Power potential is crazy too. 

I'm taking the 45/60 guy over the 25/65 guy every single time. The entire point of Roch being a "quasi generation" type college prospect is that guys his athletic almost never get to college as SS. I really am having a hard time understanding (at this moment) trying to downplay his talent. Now if he lays a damn egg to start the college year sure, but I'll worry about that if it happens.

3 hours ago, PaleAleSox said:

What the hell is even the argument going on in here? Oh no the Sox might have two incredibly good players in the top 10 of prospects by this time next year. 

Honestly I thought it was a quality discussion on current vs future weightings.

16 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Honestly I thought it was a quality discussion on current vs future weightings.

Yep. It’s a fantastic discussion. Keep at it, fellas. I’ll just sit back and sip my beer. 

1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I'm taking the 45/60 guy over the 25/65 guy every single time. The entire point of Roch being a "quasi generation" type college prospect is that guys his athletic almost never get to college as SS. I really am having a hard time understanding (at this moment) trying to downplay his talent. Now if he lays a damn egg to start the college year sure, but I'll worry about that if it happens.

Yeah worry about him not being the consensus #1 overall pick when it happens

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I still think Schultz is the best player in the system but he really needs a bounce back.

He has to stay healthy and get an innings base.

12 hours ago, PaleAleSox said:

What the hell is even the argument going on in here? Oh no the Sox might have two incredibly good players in the top 10 of prospects by this time next year. 

The amount of variables involved to sustain dominance in baseball are incredibly high. This is why predicting the future is very difficult. Every level can expose a weakness and the need to adjust. 

Being a great athlete and posessing inate abilities means a lot more in basketball and football  than baseball. In those sports you jump straight to the pros from college. Every one plays the same game. 

Baseball is way different. There are pitchers and hitters. It's like 2 separate games. It's why there are tiers to development. Pitching and hitting are incredibly complicated mechanically. Eyesight and the abilty to process what you see as quickly as possible and make a swing decision and being sound enough mechanically to impact your swing decisions and hit ball hard . As a hitter your levels of processing the info without pitchers findng a flaw to exploit is tested at every level. 

Who knows, maybe the next cutting edge for analytics will  combine a hitters mental capabilities with physical . It's processing what you see in micro seconds and making a correct decision . No matter how good the pitchers get you can still punish mistakes but still being good when you see less and less mistakes will separate you. Then there's how you field and health... 

As fans we will always take our best guesses based on some data points but extremely limited for predictive abilities . Young players need helping hands along the way to show them that it's a game that can humble you quickly and  you need to be adaptable and patient.

That's why Colson Montgomery is such as interesting case study. How the White Sox approached getting him back on track when fans had written him off was quite unique. Those data points we used when we believed in him were swept away by his hitting getting worse and being unclear as to how injuries affected him. 

There was no guarantee that taking him out of game action and working on his process would get his mind right. But it did work. He listened, he adapted after around 2 years of declining stats. Of course he has to maintain it. Still no guarantees but it's so far a great example of player and coaches  working together to implement change based on keen observation and analytics. It's also a great example of why we should  show humility when throwing around can't miss or bust labels . 

Edited January 31Jan 31 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

8 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

He has to stay healthy and get an innings base.

This is the biggest hurdle he needs to cross. He needs 100 innings this year to have a shot at a full year in 2027.

30 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

The amount of variables involved to sustain dominance in baseball are incredibly high. This is why predicting the future is very difficult. Every level can expose a weakness and the need to adjust. 

Being a great athlete and posessing inate abilities means a lot more in basketball and football  than baseball. In those sports you jump straight to the pros from college. Every one plays the same game. 

Baseball is way different. There are pitchers and hitters. It's like 2 separate games. It's why there are tiers to development. Pitching and hitting are incredibly complicated mechanically. Eyesight and the abilty to process what you see as quickly as possible and make a swing decision and being sound enough mechanically to impact your swing decisions and hit ball hard . As a hitter your levels of processing the info without pitchers findng a flaw to exploit is tested at every level. 

Who knows, maybe the next cutting edge for analytics will  combine a hitters mental capabilities with physical . It's processing what you see in micro seconds and making a correct decision . No matter how good the pitchers get you can still punish mistakes but still being good when you see less and less mistakes will separate you. Then there's how you field and health... 

As fans we will always take our best guesses based on some data points but extremely limited for predictive abilities . Young players need helping hands along the way to show them that it's a game that can humble you quickly and  you need to be adaptable and patient.

There is quite a bit if research going on with augmented reality trying to get at the mental physical link you are describing. Athletics are starting to use in in some capacities as well. 

I work the a group that is using it linked with a stimulator and we are getting muscle use from paralyzed patients. The crazy thing is that we are finding carry over once the stimulator is removed.

Edited January 31Jan 31 by ptatc

10 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I still think Schultz is the best player in the system but he really needs a bounce back.

Then he's not the best player in the system.

9 minutes ago, oldsox said:

Then he's not the best player in the system.

Huh? You’re saying elite talent can’t have setbacks, and if they do, they can’t be considered the best player in a system?

7 minutes ago, ptatc said:

There is quite a bit if research going on with augmented reality trying to get at the mental physical link you are describing. Athletics are starting to use in in some capacities as well. 

I work the a group that is using it linked with a stimulator and we are getting muscle use from paralyzed patients. The crazy thing is that we are finding carry over once the stimulator is removed.

Yes its very promising and for those who talk. about being ahead of the curve when it comes to analytics. It's worth keeping and eye on. 

We alwsy heard about Tef Williams having 20/10 vision so Im. allso a firm believer that there may also be more advanced ways to test eyesight and continue testing it yearly since as we age and enviromental factor such as UV rays degrade our sight .  Also to use advancing tech to increase our ability to see clearly  in different kinds of light like sunlight as oppposed  to artificial light during night games. Innovations to improve eyesight should also be very important to teams. 

Yes. I'm saying that Bonemer is the better prospect.

5 minutes ago, oldsox said:

Yes. I'm saying that Bonemer is the better prospect.

That’s a fair opinion. But when you phrase it like “Then he can’t…”, you make it sound like anybody who has a setback is automatically disqualified from being considered the best player in a system. 

51 minutes ago, oldsox said:

Then he's not the best player in the system.

The reason he's dropped are because of things outside of his ceiling/talent level.

He's the only unicorn prospect the White Sox have in my opinion.

15 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The reason he's dropped are because of things outside of his ceiling/talent level.

He's the only unicorn prospect the White Sox have in my opinion.

I would add Oppor to the list as a unicorn. He's a lefty as well but throws much harder than Schultz from a low angle as well.

Thr Sox seem to target "funky" angle pitchers. Part of the reason I think the injury rate is so high.

Edited January 31Jan 31 by ptatc

3 minutes ago, ptatc said:

I would add Oppor to the list as a unicorn. He's a lefty as well but throws much harder than Schultz from a low angle as well.

Thr Sox seem to target "funky" angle pitchers. Part of the reason I think the injury rate is so high.

Guys like Oppor come around all the time. Doesn't mean he cant be very good, but unicorns are unique and rare. 

Being 6'9 and throwing with that angle, extension and release point are all unique. Before last year he also had ++ command. He's also still been growing! 

Guys like Schultz have HOF ceilings, but the injury risk and set backs last year lowered his floor beyond where it had been.