White Sox acquired RHPs Jordan Hicks and David Sandlin from BOS

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Yeah, the White Sox and I just disagree on the quality and ability of Sandlin. I don't think he's worth much more than the roster spot he occupies. If they like him, by all means paying a SP 8 million a year is nothing. 

You all know how I feel about sign and flip or trade and flip in 4 months; not really any value in that as it isn't a real thing.

I look at this deal as the Sox doing the other thing you hate in buying prospects essentially by taking on money from the Hicks deal.  I have no problem with someone's valuation of Sandlin because I know very little about him.  My theory is that if he ends up a back end starter, or some sort of a usable reliever, the White Sox win the deal for sure.

For me today, I want to see a well thought out deal, and the Sox using their insane lack of payroll to buy somewhere between 1 and 3 guys they like is exactly how they should be approaching fixing a reportedly shallow minor league system.  That's all I really want to see.  Last year at this time we were sending 18 year old starting prospects to Boston for 33 year old inexperienced relievers, so hopefully this franchise is learning from its mistakes.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I look at this deal as the Sox doing the other thing you hate in buying prospects essentially by taking on money from the Hicks deal.  I have no problem with someone's valuation of Sandlin because I know very little about him.  My theory is that if he ends up a back end starter, or some sort of a usable reliever, the White Sox win the deal for sure.

For me today, I want to see a well thought out deal, and the Sox using their insane lack of payroll to buy somewhere between 1 and 3 guys they like is exactly how they should be approaching fixing a reportedly shallow minor league system.  That's all I really want to see.  Last year at this time we were sending 18 year old starting prospects to Boston for 33 year old inexperienced relievers, so hopefully this franchise is learning from its mistakes.

Agree the process is a step in the right direction which is why Ive been positive of the deal. That said, I still have very little faith in Getz ability to evaluate and acquire talent that fits and can be maximized.

[WestEddy]

FanGraphs clocks in on the Hays and Hicks moves:

White Sox Take Two Steps Toward Stinking Less | FanGraphs Baseball

This seems a bit extreme to me

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The White Sox aren’t anywhere near being good again. At best, they’re within sight of a village where they can get directions to a place where they can find a map that’ll take them to the path toward being good again. But you have to start somewhere.

 

[almagest]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

I mean the Sox pretty much bought themselves a prospect or three by picking up Hicks like this.  I know this is Getz, but he is already telling people that Sandlin could be a mid-season starter.  

Hicks seems like the type of reliever that should have a market at the deadline. at least of a mid tier prospect kind of guy, and if you can push him back into his pre-2025 work, probably around a top 10 system  guy.  For what we are giving up, and the cash we are getting back to cover him, even if Sandlin busts, this is a solidly thought out deal.

Your "I ❤️ Getz" club member pack is in the mail.

[ptatc]

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Agree the process is a step in the right direction which is why Ive been positive of the deal. That said, I still have very little faith in Getz ability to evaluate and acquire talent that fits and can be maximized.

I don't know. Last year Smith, Vasil, Teel, Meidroth, Tauchman and Hauser. All had pretty good years. He definitely hasn't had a perfect track record but I would put it above very littlpromise.

The jury is still out but I think there is promise.

Edited February 2 by ptatc

[Baron]

31 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

FanGraphs clocks in on the Hays and Hicks moves:

White Sox Take Two Steps Toward Stinking Less | FanGraphs Baseball

This seems a bit extreme to me

 

Who the hell wrote this article? It was really weird reading it. Sounded like a frat boy writing it via AI. 

[WestEddy]

21 minutes ago, almagest said:

Your "I ❤️ Getz" club member pack is in the mail.

He SS2k5's Us.

[T R U]

49 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

FanGraphs clocks in on the Hays and Hicks moves:

White Sox Take Two Steps Toward Stinking Less | FanGraphs Baseball

This seems a bit extreme to me

 

That's pretty much how I feel about this team. I completely get others optimism, there are a lot of things I am excited to watch this season, but this team still isn't any good on paper and most likely in practice as well.

It's really just a snarky way of saying they're bad but at least they are moving in the right direction, which to me seems like a perfect description for the team currently.  

[southsider2k5]

43 minutes ago, almagest said:

Your "I ❤️ Getz" club member pack is in the mail.

Eh, I can judge deal by deal instead of blind allegiance to one side or another.

[southsider2k5]

7 minutes ago, T R U said:

That's pretty much how I feel about this team. I completely get others optimism, there are a lot of things I am excited to watch this season, but this team still isn't any good on paper and most likely in practice as well.

It's really just a snarky way of saying they're bad but at least they are moving in the right direction, which to me seems like a perfect description for the team currently.  

This exactly.

[chitownsportsfan]

28 minutes ago, Baron said:

Who the hell wrote this article? It was really weird reading it. Sounded like a frat boy writing it via AI. 

Just that elder millennial style that was fresh 20 years ago and now just comes across as trying way too hard.

But for the better part of a decade, the White Sox have been filling every position player vacancy with

Leury García. A couple years ago, they had García change his facial hair and start going by the nom de guerre Lenyn Sosa, but they’re not fooling me. I’d expect Hays to be an improvement on that situation in 2026, and if he’s anything more, he can be flipped at the deadline.

Yea, not only is this over the top, it's factually wrong as well. Sosa is nothing like Leury as a player and if the Sox had more 1.5 WAR types instead of replacement level or worse FA signings maybe Hahn is still in charge.

[WestEddy]

7 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Just that elder millennial style that was fresh 20 years ago and now just comes across as trying way too hard.

 

 

Yea, not only is this over the top, it's factually wrong as well. Sosa is nothing like Leury as a player and if the Sox had more 1.5 WAR types instead of replacement level or worse FA signings maybe Hahn is still in charge.

There also seems to be some sort of self-moderating drive, where acknowledging a bad team getting incrementally better is seen as homerism, or "delusion", so the writer errs to mocking the team with cheap hits. 

I liked the Dominguez move, not crazy about Hays, and am satisfied with the Hicks move, while waiting for the full unveiling of the moving parts. But I think all three are good moves that move the team forward, create some bit of cushion and competition for the kids, amassing more depth at the upper levels, even if by pushing guys off the MLB roster back down to AAA. 

[soxrwhite]

14 hours ago, tray said:

If the WSox exceed their budget - the amount they can spend before risking loan defaults, late payments, and other financial issues, where would the money come from to cover excess spending ?  The point about the low budget is an old grind that fans of the WSox and other teams often engage in to voice frustration when mega player contracts are not taken on by corporate ownership/shareholders.  I understand that fans have an expectation that shareholders spend millions of their own money to gamble on multi-year mega-million dollar player contracts. Unfortunately, that is not the way it works in MLB or in most other businesses. Simply stated - the Sox have to stay within spending limits in order to survive.  Moving forward, the WSox have to make more money in order to spend more money.  Hopefully, a winning team this season and beyond will increase revenues and remove the financial constraints that Getz is under.  

Ya gotta spend money to make money

[T R U]

24 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

There also seems to be some sort of self-moderating drive, where acknowledging a bad team getting incrementally better is seen as homerism, or "delusion", so the writer errs to mocking the team with cheap hits. 

I liked the Dominguez move, not crazy about Hays, and am satisfied with the Hicks move, while waiting for the full unveiling of the moving parts. But I think all three are good moves that move the team forward, create some bit of cushion and competition for the kids, amassing more depth at the upper levels, even if by pushing guys off the MLB roster back down to AAA. 

The Hays move to me is a complete waste. If you want a sub 1 war player in the OF we have plenty of options that could conceivably do that and it wouldnt cost $6 million dollars. Would have rather seen that money allocated to try and get a starting pitcher. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 hour ago, ptatc said:

I don't know. Last year Smith, Vasil, Teel, Meidroth, Tauchman and Hauser. All had pretty good years. He definitely hasn't had a perfect track record but I would put it above very littlpromise.

The jury is still out but I think there is promise.

I think Keith Law put it best in the Athletic team rankings: 

I'm paraphrasing but he said, they have improved and had a couple decent looking drafts but their farm system is worse than you'd expect a team with their recent activity, draft position and resources. 

Meaning essentially, Getz has done worse than an average GM would do in this situation but how much so is still pretty unknown. 

[T R U]

4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I think Keith Law put it best in the Athletic team rankings: 

I'm paraphrasing but he said, they have improved and had a couple decent looking drafts but their farm system is worse than you'd expect a team with their recent activity, draft position and resources. 

Meaning essentially, Getz has done worse than an average GM would do in this situation but how much so is still pretty unknown. 

The Cease trade and not cashing out on Robert at the same time has really set this thing back quite a bit. 

Imagine what we would be looking at if he had botched the Crochet trade as well, yikes. 

[ptatc]

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I think Keith Law put it best in the Athletic team rankings: 

I'm paraphrasing but he said, they have improved and had a couple decent looking drafts but their farm system is worse than you'd expect a team with their recent activity, draft position and resources. 

Meaning essentially, Getz has done worse than an average GM would do in this situation but how much so is still pretty unknown. 

Thats his view. Many of the others have a slightly more positive view. Baseball America has 6 top 100 prospects and a higher ranking.

I think everyone agrees though that it us top heavy and not very deep.

With only 2 draft classes with him as GM it will be another year or 2 to see the true progression.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

7 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Thats his view. Many of the others have a slightly more positive view. Baseball America has 6 top 100 prospects and a higher ranking.

I think everyone agrees though that it us top heavy and not very deep.

With only 2 draft classes with him as GM it will be another year or 2 to see the true progression.

Keith Law had the Sox with the 8th best system in baseball which was their highest ranking from what I saw. This has nothing to do with him not being high on the prospects. 

Getz has already deserved to be fired once, at minimum. The victory laps over Chris Getz this off-season have been wild! Further proof and evidence that if you lower the bar so low, people will claim you're dominating when you're just don't basic things.

Edited February 2 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[WestEddy]

17 minutes ago, T R U said:

The Hays move to me is a complete waste. If you want a sub 1 war player in the OF we have plenty of options that could conceivably do that and it wouldnt cost $6 million dollars. Would have rather seen that money allocated to try and get a starting pitcher. 

He's probably the best OF hitter outside of Baldwin's ceiling, right now. But yeah, I thought they had everything covered by giving Acuña, Pereira, Hill and Peters some run (and taking a long look at Kelenic). Hays gives them a definite floor for 70-100 games. 

[southsider2k5]

8 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Thats his view. Many of the others have a slightly more positive view. Baseball America has 6 top 100 prospects and a higher ranking.

I think everyone agrees though that it us top heavy and not very deep.

With only 2 draft classes with him as GM it will be another year or 2 to see the true progression.

Keith Law had the highest ranking for the Sox system out of the major publications.

[Chicago White Sox]

21 minutes ago, soxrwhite said:

Ya gotta spend money to make money

Imagine what would happen if a CEO of a major company complained that they couldn’t fix their broken product because not enough customers weren’t buying the s%*# sandwich they were selling.  Dude would be fired in a minute.  Meanwhile, a very small subset of Sox fans want the rest of us to believe that it’s our fault Jerry can’t build a better team because he doesn’t have money to do so due to low fan engagement.  It’s called investing in your product to create demand.  The fact that Jerry (and tray) don’t understand this basic business principle is truly comical.

[southsider2k5]

4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Imagine what would happen if a CEO of a major company complained that they couldn’t fix their broken product because not enough customers weren’t buying the s%*# sandwich they were selling.  Dude would be fired in a minute.  Meanwhile, a very small subset of Sox fans want the rest of us to believe that it’s our fault Jerry can’t build a better team because he doesn’t have money to do so due to low fan engagement.  It’s called investing in your product to create demand.  The fact that Jerry (and tray) don’t understand this basic business principle is truly comical.

Look, if your roof leaks, you don't blame the rain for finding a weak point to get through.  You fix the roof.

[Chicago White Sox]

15 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I think Keith Law put it best in the Athletic team rankings: 

I'm paraphrasing but he said, they have improved and had a couple decent looking drafts but their farm system is worse than you'd expect a team with their recent activity, draft position and resources. 

Meaning essentially, Getz has done worse than an average GM would do in this situation but how much so is still pretty unknown. 

This is a pretty ridiculous take.  Getz is in his third year as GM.  He inherited a completely broken organization.  He has been given very little resource at the major league level to work with.  His amateur LatAm signings remain locked in from the previous regime.  What accomplishments were you expecting exactly?

I can’t tell if you’re actually judging him exclusively by farm system rankings in this post or not, but that is also an absurd thing to do.  Lots of prospects lost prospect eligibility last year.  The LatAm function continues to provide almost nothing, which is killing the depth of system.  Having a couple decent drafts when you have only overseen two is a pretty good accomplishment and probably best thing we have to evaluate him on.

[ptatc]

10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Keith Law had the highest ranking for the Sox system out of the major publications.

OK, I thought baseball amaerica was higher for some reason. I know they had more "top" prospects on their lost.

[Chicago White Sox]

13 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Keith Law had the Sox with the 8th best system in baseball which was their highest ranking from what I saw. This has nothing to do with him not being high on the prospects. 

Getz has already deserved to be fired once, at minimum. The victory laps over Chris Getz this off-season have been wild! Further proof and evidence that if you lower the bar so low, people will claim you're dominating when you're just don't basic things.

What did he deserve to be fired for?