March 17Mar 17 Houston fans gave their team the lowest TV rankings in major market history...former dorm mate Brett Dolan lost his play by play job and has struggled to get back to that level ever since. That said, they had Top 3-5 farm systems for three years running. Like the Royals,…like the Cubs, the majority of their high draft picks became significant and consistent 3-5+ fWAR contributors. Padres and Blue Jays systems were all right there near top...and then the Orioles. SD ended up with 4 playoff appearances and 4 playoff series wins, Toronto won the WS last year after a record setting extension to Vladdy. Orioles just doubled down by signing Alonso and trading for Burnes, but look how difficult that AL East is...probably the most analagous to White Sox, as JR was never going to run out a $300-350 million budget like SD and certainly not where TOR is now...$180-220 million was pretty much the peak. Edited March 17Mar 17 by caulfield12
March 17Mar 17 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: Why don't you ever give JR his due. He's the only owner who ever would have made Chris Getz GM, so according to all of your posts, he got it right. Full credit here, there is no man more responsible for the downfall of the White Sox than Jerry Reinsdorf. He's the one who forced Kenny to choose between a competitive roster or the future. He's the one who pushed back as Rick tried to expand analytics. He's the one who forced TLR instead of a real current and successful manager. He's the one who let Kenny float in space after refusing to let him leave for a huge promotion. He's the one who refused Machado and/or Harper. He's the one who preferred a marionette to a GM search. He's the one not able to read the room on a new stadium. He's the one making seem like a huge accomplishment to add a 40 million dollar contract this winter. He's the reason even if Chris Getz is a boy genius as claimed, Jerry will find another way to cock block and destroy, just like all of the other GMs and AGms he has fucked in 40 years. He's the reason for Hawk Harrelson as a GM. He's the reason for Dan Evans, Schumer, Himes, and Hemond. I could keep going, but everyone knows who the problem is.
March 17Mar 17 13 hours ago, WestEddy said: I'm to the point where I think we all have to admit it was a baller move for Getz to position himself to get promoted to remake the entire org. He had know he'd be a lame duck GM with the bare minimum for the players but also knew he have plenty to spend on infrastucture since those things are a pittance yearly compared to even one contract like Benitendi's annual salary. They cant just cut him and eat the salary. Even if they can save $5M on his salary they'll keep him and play him to extract that savings. Thats just the way it is now.
March 17Mar 17 8 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: He had know he'd be a lame duck GM with the bare minimum for the players but also knew he have plenty to spend on infrastucture since those things are a pittance yearly compared to even one contract like Benitendi's annual salary. They cant just cut him and eat the salary. Even if they can save $5M on his salary they'll keep him and play him to extract that savings. Thats just the way it is now. But the value to see Acuna Baldwin Pereira Kelenic (Sosa maybe) and eventually Braden to play everyday is worth more than $5 million to the future Sox franchise's hopes to compete for the post season in 2028/29/30...
March 17Mar 17 35 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: But the value to see Acuna Baldwin Pereira Kelenic (Sosa maybe) and eventually Braden to play everyday is worth more than $5 million to the future Sox franchise's hopes to compete for the post season in 2028/29/30... Exactly. He is still going to punish the future of the organization for a few dollars more. Maybe we shuffled around titles and people in the organization, but the biggest impediment is still here.
March 17Mar 17 17 hours ago, Jake said:Saw a tweeter claiming they saw Vasil long-tossing in Arizona todayI’m guessing that report was bad. Yikes.
March 17Mar 17 14 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:I’m guessing that report was bad. Yikes.yeah, considering the dude is going for TJS hopefully the report was false or a lie, otherwise that is really bad.
March 17Mar 17 Its too bad, but the bright side is, if this was inevitable, having it done now is probably best. Non contention in 2026 and probably some sort of stoppage next season for at least a little while isn't bad. Hopefully he returns better than ever.
March 17Mar 17 4 hours ago, Capn12 said:Well s%*#.Can't say I'm surprised. The way pitchers are today anytime they say they have an elbow, forearm or shoulder issue it is best to assume the worst. 4 hours ago, Capn12 said:Well s%*#. Edited March 17Mar 17 by Lip Man 1
March 18Mar 18 21 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:Full credit here, there is no man more responsible for the downfall of the White Sox than Jerry Reinsdorf. He's the one who forced Kenny to choose between a competitive roster or the future. He's the one who pushed back as Rick tried to expand analytics.He's the one who forced TLR instead of a real current and successful manager. He's the one who let Kenny float in space after refusing to let him leave for a huge promotion. He's the one who refused Machado and/or Harper. He's the one who preferred a marionette to a GM search. He's the one not able to read the room on a new stadium.He's the one making seem like a huge accomplishment to add a 40 million dollar contract this winter.He's the reason even if Chris Getz is a boy genius as claimed, Jerry will find another way to cock block and destroy, just like all of the other GMs and AGms he has fucked in 40 years.He's the reason for Hawk Harrelson as a GM.He's the reason for Dan Evans, Schumer, Himes, and Hemond.I could keep going, but everyone knows who the problem is.You could write a book with that outline. Seriously.
March 18Mar 18 4 hours ago, oldsox said:You could write a book with that outline. Seriously.I am sure once Jerry is gone, someone will take it on.
March 18Mar 18 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:I am sure once Jerry is gone, someone will take it on.So far, I think only AJP and Hahn are making some side cash by spilling the old beans. You have to wonder when Kenny will jump into the game.
March 18Mar 18 47 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:So far, I think only AJP and Hahn are making some side cash by spilling the old beans. You have to wonder when Kenny will jump into the game.Oh I mean an actual writer who will pick up the dirt from all around. Lord knows there is plenty of it.
March 18Mar 18 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:Oh I mean an actual writer who will pick up the dirt from all around. Lord knows there is plenty of it.With Jerry still the owner, our local sports writers are probably still too cowardly to ruin their relationship with the Sox by spilling any dirt.
March 18Mar 18 Just now, WhiteSox2023 said:With Jerry still the owner, our local sports writers are probably still too cowardly to ruin their relationship with the Sox by spilling any dirt.which is why it happens once he dies.
March 18Mar 18 3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:So far, I think only AJP and Hahn are making some side cash by spilling the old beans. You have to wonder when Kenny will jump into the game.Kenny isn't going to get into a pissing match, he's been a big JR defender for years and he'll sit anything out.
March 19Mar 19 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:Kenny isn't going to get into a pissing match, he's been a big JR defender for years and he'll sit anything out.Probably. He knows who made him rich when he could have been out of a job long before he finally was.
March 19Mar 19 5 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:So far, I think only AJP and Hahn are making some side cash by spilling the old beans. You have to wonder when Kenny will jump into the game.KW dished on every single player he had issue with. He said he loved JR like a dad, didn't he?
March 19Mar 19 19 minutes ago, WestEddy said:KW dished on every single player he had issue with. He said he loved JR like a dad, didn't he?Yep, he even included it in his infamous “He better stay outta White Sox business” tirade about the best player in franchise history.
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