April 3Apr 3 Obviously Ozzie isn't getting this honor without his managerial run, but I think sabermetrics have really validated his playing career. Defensive stats for the old days aren't perfect, but they have peak Ozzie Guillen as a defender producing a similar level of value that Ozzie Smith did at the peak of his powers. They don't make too many players like that anymore but he was a really good player for a pretty good stretch.
April 3Apr 3 Really happy for Ozzie. He loves this franchise like we do. They should invite Donaldson to the ceremony.
April 3Apr 3 23 minutes ago, Jake said:Obviously Ozzie isn't getting this honor without his managerial run, but I think sabermetrics have really validated his playing career. Defensive stats for the old days aren't perfect, but they have peak Ozzie Guillen as a defender producing a similar level of value that Ozzie Smith did at the peak of his powers. They don't make too many players like that anymore but he was a really good player for a pretty good stretch.Agreed. Ozzie was a really good player. Scrapy and hard nosed. That 92 season went down the tube when Ozzie blew out his knee
April 3Apr 3 47 minutes ago, Jake said:Obviously Ozzie isn't getting this honor without his managerial run, but I think sabermetrics have really validated his playing career. Defensive stats for the old days aren't perfect, but they have peak Ozzie Guillen as a defender producing a similar level of value that Ozzie Smith did at the peak of his powers. They don't make too many players like that anymore but he was a really good player for a pretty good stretch.But clearly no Omar Vizquel Day.
April 4Apr 4 'Why now?' is what I wonder. Can't give another ring of honor to some random Bulls alum? Next season they're gonna retire Stacey King's number (hopefully just retire him).Not that it isn't deserved, I guess, but it seems like one of those nostalgia-derived things to try and keep the fanbase interested in a team putting out a less-than-stellar product.
April 4Apr 4 1 hour ago, nrockway said:'Why now?' is what I wonder. Can't give another ring of honor to some random Bulls alum? Next season they're gonna retire Stacey King's number (hopefully just retire him).Not that it isn't deserved, I guess, but it seems like one of those nostalgia-derived things to try and keep the fanbase interested in a team putting out a less-than-stellar product.That's probably part of it.
April 4Apr 4 15 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said:The bar for retiring numbers around here is pretty low.11 numbers over 126 years isn't crazy.Robin Ventura, Wilbur Wood and Jose Abreu would all have strong arguments and I don't think they'll get retired, unless Jose Abreu returns as a winning coach (a la Ozzie). Robin's chances probably died with his managerial career.
April 4Apr 4 13 hours ago, Quin said:11 numbers over 126 years isn't crazy.Robin Ventura, Wilbur Wood and Jose Abreu would all have strong arguments and I don't think they'll get retired, unless Jose Abreu returns as a winning coach (a la Ozzie). Robin's chances probably died with his managerial career.I don't think Dick Allen's #15 is retired and you can make a case for him given his impact on and off the field for the franchise.
April 4Apr 4 17 hours ago, Quin said:11 numbers over 126 years isn't crazy.Robin Ventura, Wilbur Wood and Jose Abreu would all have strong arguments and I don't think they'll get retired, unless Jose Abreu returns as a winning coach (a la Ozzie). Robin's chances probably died with his managerial career.4 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:I don't think Dick Allen's #15 is retired and you can make a case for him given his impact on and off the field for the franchise.Do the White Sox have a franchise Hall of Fame? That would be a good way to honor some players like Ventura, Abreu, and Wood who played great for the team, but probably don't rise up to the level of having their number retired.Good suggestion @Lip Man 1 on Dick Allen. He certainly was impactful for this franchise, but his time on the South Side was rather short. Only 3 seasons and missing most of '73 due to an injury.
April 4Apr 4 32 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:Do the White Sox have a franchise Hall of Fame? That would be a good way to honor some players like Ventura, Abreu, and Wood who played great for the team, but probably don't rise up to the level of having their number retired.Good suggestion @Lip Man 1 on Dick Allen. He certainly was impactful for this franchise, but his time on the South Side was rather short. Only 3 seasons and missing most of '73 due to an injury.The Sox used to have a franchise Hall of Fame exhibit/area behind home plate at the rate but that was removed a few years ago for renovations. I don't know where it is located now, if in fact it is still there.
April 4Apr 4 21 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:The Sox used to have a franchise Hall of Fame exhibit/area behind home plate at the rate but that was removed a few years ago for renovations. I don't know where it is located now, if in fact it is still there.I do remember that HoF. I believe it was removed when they expanded the gift shop behind home plate many years ago. I want to say that at least some of the memorabilia that was on display there was moved to one of the suite areas or the Scout Seats behind home plate where only people in the luxury areas can see them and not the regular fans. If that's accurate, it's very on-brand for this organization.I don't know if they had, or have, players officially inducted into a team HoF, though, as opposed to having artifacts on display such as the HR King crown that was from when Bill Melton led the league in HRs in 1971.IMO, it would be nice if they actually had a HoF like other teams do where they induct players or personnel into it to honor people who don't have numbers retired or statues made of them. Of course, Jerry has alienated so many people that such a HoF would have gaping holes in it. So, maybe it's just not practical for the Sox until ownership changes. No McDowell, AJ, Thomas, Nancy Faust, Bill Veeck, Harry Caray....I'm sure I'm forgetting others as I can' keep tract of all the impactful people in Sox history who eventually became persona non grata. Edited April 4Apr 4 by 77 Hitmen
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