4 minutes ago, nrockway said:

Why are you being like this? I'm just replying to what you wrote and you happened to be wrong in your assessment. You said he was playing poorly but he is literally playing like a 3 WAR player because that's what the statistics are. His bat is 23% above league average and he is playing the same kind of defense he always does. Chase is playing fine and if he played exactly the same way for the rest of the season, he would produce 3 WAR. You're the one talking about 7 games and how he already needs to be benched. I simply ask "why would you replace the guy on pace for 3 WAR and not the guy on pace for -8 WAR? Because a middle infielder can't play left field?".

Fact of the matter is that several of these middle infield prospects need to learn the outfield. There's no room for them. There are practically zero notable outfielders in the system outside of Braden, and if there are some to be bullish on (Wolkow, Zavala, Ely Brown, Alcala), they aren't making the MLB roster anytime soon. Converting middle infielders to outfielders is just the way baseball works. If you're a position player prospect of some note, chances are you were a shortstop in college and high school or you're left-handed and played center field. I'd start playing Bonemer there too. Bryan Ramos should've learned left and he might still be on the team. If Carlson and Roch join the team and play to their potential, where are the rest of these dudes going to play?

Not to say Chase is the second baseman of the future necessarily, but there are by far bigger holes on this team.

Why am I being like what? I don’t agree that we should value him as a 3.3 WAR player based on the first six games, I certainly don’t see a guy hitting or fielding like it, and you are arguing with me about how I feel about him. You are free to want the worse player at second and to sacrifice the better players development, I’m not arguing with you over it. I don’t see much out of Chase, and he is gonna get way more rope to hang himself with because he was part of the crochet return.

It suck’s that 4 years into this fucking rebuild and we are talking about switching positions on the guys that are supposed to be the core because we don’t have enough quality outfielders

33 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

My point was “this guy Hasn’t really all been that great and his replaceable” and you responded saying he is a 3.3 WAR player, and now we are back to “well it’s better than Andrew Vaughn right”….? Whatever man. I believe Antonacci will be the better player at second and he should play there because of that reason. Chase isn’t lighting the world on fire and forcing them to keep him in the lineup and you could try actual outfielders in Left instead of making someone play out of position It’s funny you brought up Vaughn who was playing out of position the entire time with the Sox and it HURT HIS DEVELOPMENT

The "reason" you believe Antonacci should play 2B is based on your opinion that he would be a better player there (?) and your belief that Vaughn's outfield experience somehow hurt his development as a first basemen. However, consider that Vaughn and Antonacci have different profiles - Vaughn is a tank, the slowest player on the team while Antonacci, although not a burner, can run the bases and cover ground in the outfield. Second, a spot in the infield is not in the cards for Ant. Sox have a lot of infielders, infield prospects (like Billy Carlson) and future pick Roch Chowlowsky. Let's not ignore a logjam that would block Ant from possibly ever being called up. At the same time, Benintendi has defensive issues in the outfield. That is why the White Sox have asked Sam to put on an outfielder's glove in AAA and see if he can work out there. I want to see Ant called up, but let's see how Ant in the outfield plays out.

13 minutes ago, tray said:

The "reason" you believe Antonacci should play 2B is based on your opinion that he would be a better player there (?) and your belief that Vaughn's outfield experience somehow hurt his development as a first basemen. However, consider that Vaughn and Antonacci have different profiles - Vaughn is a tank, the slowest player on the team while Antonacci, although not a burner, can run the bases and cover ground in the outfield. Second, a spot in the infield is not in the cards for Ant. Sox have a lot of infielders, infield prospects (like Billy Carlson) and future pick Roch Chowlowsky. Let's not ignore a logjam that would block Ant from possibly ever being called up. At the same time, Benintendi has defensive issues in the outfield. That is why the White Sox have asked Sam to put on an outfielder's glove in AAA and see if he can work out there. I want to see Ant called up, but let's see how Ant in the outfield plays out.

There is a lot of reasons Tray, and yes I do not like playing him out of position this is true, but this is not the only reason. I simply believe Antonacci is gonna be the better player, based on the hype this offseason, I listened to a few baseball guys call into the score and talk about him, his WBC appearance was noteworthy, and I just like his overall progression

they could also try to trade some of these minor leaguers for another teams milb OFers. you don't see a lot of milb for milb swaps but they do happen

57 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

they could also try to trade some of these minor leaguers for another teams milb OFers. you don't see a lot of milb for milb swaps but they do happen

Getz tried. We got Fletcher and DeLoach.

8 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Getz tried. We got Fletcher and DeLoach.

Getz also traded cash for Tristan Peters, and Steven Wilson & Yoendrys Gomez for Pereira and Tanner Murray.

11 hours ago, joejoesox said:

they could also try to trade some of these minor leaguers for another teams milb OFers. you don't see a lot of milb for milb swaps but they do happen

Getz was too busy trading good minor leaguers for older brokeass relievers.

Meidroth's changes (if that's what we'll call them) aren't looking promising so far.

I don't know if he's trying to sell-out for some kind of power (although his swing speeds are the same), but it's greatly impacting what he used to do well.

His overall contact rate is down 10% YoY, which puts him in the top 15 biggest drops so far. We still need another 25ish PA's to really say it's indicative of an actual change, but he's going to have to have a great stretch to get that number back to being great. His 23.5% K rate is also up 9% over his previous mark.

Bring up Antonacci!

4 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Meidroth's changes (if that's what we'll call them) aren't looking promising so far.

I don't know if he's trying to sell-out for some kind of power (although his swing speeds are the same), but it's greatly impacting what he used to do well.

His overall contact rate is down 10% YoY, which puts him in the top 15 biggest drops so far. We still need another 25ish PA's to really say it's indicative of an actual change, but he's going to have to have a great stretch to get that number back to being great. His 23.5% K rate is also up 9% over his previous mark.

Bring up Antonacci!

You just know that they are considering just that. Meidroth might be on a short leash.

Give the young players time and at bats, especially if they are defensively sound. Meidroth is fine.
If Antonacci can also play OF without stressing himself out, then he should. Dodgers, Mets, Jays et al play players all over. Good to see young guys getting to play and fewer vets crowding them out (even better when Benintendi leaves)
Our top hitters are also high K guys: Montgomery, Murakami, Teel; would be helpful to balance that; middle of pack in Ks last year; toward top in this early season.

16 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Give the young players time and at bats, especially if they are defensively sound. Meidroth is fine.
If Antonacci can also play OF without stressing himself out, then he should. Dodgers, Mets, Jays et al play players all over. Good to see young guys getting to play and fewer vets crowding them out (even better when Benintendi leaves)
Our top hitters are also high K guys: Montgomery, Murakami, Teel; would be helpful to balance that; middle of pack in Ks last year; toward top in this early season.

Bergolla too...but the power issue really limits him to a utility infielder profile unless he can somehow hit .325-.350.

Antonacci would make sense as a call-up... IF he proves he can play LF in the Minors and IF Benintendi gets moved somehow, which is unlikely. Otherwise Meidroth at 2B and Benny as a LH platoon in LF is what we will likely see for the foreseeable future.

I am gonna give an unpopular opinion, but I don’t see any point in bringing him up. There’s nowhere to play him. If Sosa can’t find at bats, why bring Antonacci up as an infielder?

And as horrible as everybody has been saying our outfield would be (like they said about our pitching), I think our outfield is looking very solid, Acura especially. So there’s no one for him to replace in the outfield.

All these people so sure that Antonacci would be better than Meidroth, there’s no real basis for that. It’s just “Second-string quarterback” syndrome.

7 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Meidroth's changes (if that's what we'll call them) aren't looking promising so far.

I don't know if he's trying to sell-out for some kind of power (although his swing speeds are the same), but it's greatly impacting what he used to do well.

His overall contact rate is down 10% YoY, which puts him in the top 15 biggest drops so far. We still need another 25ish PA's to really say it's indicative of an actual change, but he's going to have to have a great stretch to get that number back to being great. His 23.5% K rate is also up 9% over his previous mark.

Bring up Antonacci!

I would be curious if you have any examples of someone who has been predicted to go from punch and judy to 30 homer power annually based on these metrics? I am curious what I am missing here.

On 4/6/2026 at 3:43 PM, vilehoopster said:

And as horrible as everybody has been saying our outfield would be (like they said about our pitching), I think our outfield is looking very solid, Acura especially. So there’s no one for him to replace in the outfield.

All these people so sure that Antonacci would be better than Meidroth, there’s no real basis for that. It’s just “Second-string quarterback” syndrome.

As far as your opinion that the outfield is solid, especially Acuna, I have to disagree. Benintendi lacks speed and arm strength. Acuna has been awkward in CF with late jumps and weak throws. With Hays now gone for weeks or maybe months, RF is open to a number of outfielders but none have plus arms or can hit, especially with power.

IMO the current outfield is a disaster. Everyone has an opinion on how it might be improved. If I was Getz or Venable I would replace Acuna with Periera or Tristan Peters in CF and Derek Hill in RF at least until Braden improves his contact rate, which might be never. Not sure yet if Antonacci can play LF so I agree with you that there is no place to put him right now. Stuck in the muck losing games like it is 2025. Fangoul.

On 4/6/2026 at 3:43 PM, vilehoopster said:

I am gonna give an unpopular opinion, but I don’t see any point in bringing him up. There’s nowhere to play him. If Sosa can’t find at bats, why bring Antonacci up as an infielder?

And as horrible as everybody has been saying our outfield would be (like they said about our pitching), I think our outfield is looking very solid, Acura especially. So there’s no one for him to replace in the outfield.

All these people so sure that Antonacci would be better than Meidroth, there’s no real basis for that. It’s just “Second-string quarterback” syndrome.

With Hays gone, the remaining outfielders have combined for -.2 WAR so far.

Thats why people say its horrible.

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

With Hays gone, the remaining outfielders have combined for -.2 WAR so far.

Thats why people say its horrible.

And the White Sox are 28th with 63 ER allowed. That's also why people say it is horrible.

Because it is.

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

And the White Sox are 28th with 63 ER allowed. That's also why people say it is horrible.

Because it is.

4-22/3-18 streak against KC isn't much better.

28-49 since 2021

Last head to head winning record 2020.

Edited Thursday at 07:12 PM2 days by caulfield12

Kinda surprising

Getz is desperate. This is getting sad.

Did they just lose out on a year by a day?

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Did they just lose out on a year by a day?

I can’t imagine even Getz would be that stupid. They don’t have to make the move until Tuesday, which will be April 14th. I would assume that’s the deadline.

Edited 8 hours ago8 hr by WhiteSox2023

Hell yes! Welcome to the show kid!

5 minutes ago, fathom said:

Did they just lose out on a year by a day?

2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I can’t imagine even Getz would be that stupid. They don’t have to make the move until Tuesday, which will be April 14th. I would assume that’s the deadline.

Edited 8 hours ago8 hr by DoUEvenShift

10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Getz is desperate. This is getting sad.

This isn’t sad, my friend, this is awesome!!!