3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Ill say it Colson back is bad, combined with Mune, things

Ive been relegated to the tablet and phone to stream the games.

My son says "dad, you watch white sox baseball on your phone. The TV is for me."

I do get to watch still at least, but havent watched on the TV yet this year lol.

Ill say, if Colson is out and Mune, it really changes my optimism a bit but this team has been catching the breaks this year so hoping Colson back is temporary. Sounds pretty scary though

You don’t get a TV when you have kids, unless you put two in one room and mute yours. 🤣

36 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

2030 is 6 years from 2024. Pouncing on any talk of a rebuild had nothing to do with free agency spending. Speculation drifted out past 2030 because Getz was nowhere near as smart as the keyboard koaches who could spell-check "incompetence" and "accountability".

The point you seem to be trying to dunk on was that Hahn/KW made many mistakes in the last rebuild. They drafted 1-dimensional projects with top picks. They neglected investment in overall development at all levels. They traded all their stars, and most of the trades were garbage. You remind us regularly that JR didn't spend in free agency for that rebuild, either. Yet, they made back-2-back playoff appearances in 4 years with the bare minimum of competence. This time, they started in a deeper hole, and this team got relevant faster.

Chris Getz created a very good team for you to jump on the bandwagon. Don't worry, there's room for all of you glum chums to declare that you were right all along and were telling everyone about Dave Wilder before that was a thing. LOL.

Can someone explain how this "rebuild" has been more successful than the prior one? Seems like revisionist history to me.

Let's wait to see how things play out before annointing kings.

8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Can someone explain how this "rebuild" has been more successful than the prior one? Seems like revisionist history to me.

Let's wait to see how things play out before annointing kings.

It isn't yet. But there does seem like there is more talent coming up from the minors than last time, with more to come. The last rebuild everyone got here and there was no one else coming.

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by Bob Sacamano

3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

It isn't. But there does seem like there is more talent coming up from the minors than last time, with more to come. The last rebuild everyone got here and there was no one else coming.

There is more position player depth and a good amount of talent. There were certainly more people (madrigal, vaughn and crochet for example) that came up in waves, they just sucked. So far our call ups have been succeeding and it's great to see.

I think the pitching is incredibly thin, and poses a large risk if Schultz can't get it sorted and stay healthy. Good news is they should have money to supplement, but it's not like i'm more excited about this team than I was about the 2020 team. I'm not rewriting history.

I cant emphasize this enough. This team is a lot of fun for two reasons...

1. They're doing cool stuff! Great comebacks, love being an underdog.

2. There were no expectations and we're coming off two years where the team was literally unwatchable. The bar was lowered and we all want to be entertained.

I Said it before, but if the 2021 had this record after 65ish games, people wouldnt be as thrilled.

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by Look at Ray Ray Run

You can find what I said easily enough about challenging Ray Ray about Braden not being good "right away". That's very recent.

You can also find the predicted HR in that game thread in the archives. Again not 100% accurate since i said Gonzo would hit one also. Very bold and got it half right.

Everything else you know its true especially the Robert stuff since it involved you.

I talked about Murakami in a thread about if you could add one Free Agent who would it be. Yes I picked Murakami. Did I think the Sox had a chance to get him ? Hell no ,by all reports he was going to cost a lot more. But once he got here I always posted my belief in him . Was just a feeling ,nothing more, being a genuine Superstar in Japan which has produced some special talents to enter MLB. Even the experts focused on what was and not what could be. Special players find a way to evolve.

@caulfield12 probably remembers when I said there could be a big increase in HR's because I said not only did dig chicks dig the long ball so did everyone else. I said between Murakami and Colson they could 75-80 HRs and that was idk back in April maybe earlier. Now that might not happen because of injuries but they were on that pace and the Sox are still 2nd in HR's.

I could go way back about trading Dane Dunning for Lynn. @hi8is will tell you.

@WestEddy probably remembers some stuff but you might consider him biased since we regularly agreed on how we perceived the Getz rebuild.

I could go back even farther and I practically nailed Abreu stats his rookie year in that prediction thread.

I don't claim to be never wrong . Hell I thought Oscar Colas would be good. But I'm generally bullish on prospects.

I'm not scientific about it . A lot of it is based on positive vibes I get along with just reading situations and events as they unfold. Just observation techniques along with long exposure to White Sox baseball. Like being able to predict short dialogue responses in movies.

It's not that hard if you truly are paying attention without biases. But sure maybe my own biases play into it because I focus on the good not the bad. That's why I love the Pope and the Magic Wand stuff. Others want to focus on the negative aspects of those things as if they are looking for them. It took others a little longer to see things my way and that's OK but I don't see any true enoyment from you as if youre waiting for it to come crashing down.

I actually feel the same way you do about Murakami . He will be difficult to extend. I just don't focus on it as a sign of impending disaster. I'll keep watching how that progresses as well as the rookies who have made such a wonderful immediate impact.

30 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Can someone explain how this "rebuild" has been more successful than the prior one? Seems like revisionist history to me.

Let's wait to see how things play out before annointing kings.

You and many others decided to not wait in declaring Getz a failure and any rebuild "dead". How about you wait, and I'll go ahead and post what I want?

And can somebody explain who said this rebuild is more successful than the previous? I said the previous had a lot of missteps and it still only took 4 years to get back to the playoffs.

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by WestEddy

5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

You can find what I said easily enough about challenging Ray Ray about Braden not being good "right away". That's very recent.

You can also find the predicted HR in that game thread in the archives. Again not 100% accurate since i said Gonzo would hit one also. Very bold and got it half right.

Everything else you know its true especially the Robert stuff since it involved you.

I talked about Murakami in a thread about if you could add one Free Agent who would it be. Yes I picked Murakami. Did I think the Sox had a chance to get him ? Hell no ,by all reports he was going to cost a lot more. But once he got here I always posted my belief in him . Was just a feeling ,nothing more, being a genuine Superstar in Japan which has produced some special talents to enter MLB. Even the experts focused on what was and not what could be. Special players find a way to evolve.

@caulfield12 probably remembers when I said there could be a big increase in HR's because I said not only did dig chicks dig the long ball so did everyone else. I said between Murakami and Colson they could 75-80 HRs and that was idk back in April maybe earlier. Now that might not happen because of injuries but they were on that pace and the Sox are still 2nd in HR's.

I could go way back about trading Dane Dunning for Lynn. @hi8is will tell you.

@WestEddy probably remembers some stuff but you might consider him biased since we regularly agreed on how we perceived the Getz rebuild.

I could go back even farther and I practically nailed Abreu stats his rookie year in that prediction thread.

I don't claim to be never wrong . Hell I thought Oscar Colas would be good. But I'm generally bullish on prospects.

I'm not scientific about it . A lot of it is based on positive vibes I get along with just reading situations and events as they unfold. Just observation techniques along with long exposure to White Sox baseball. Like being able to predict short dialogue responses in movies.

It's not that hard if you truly are paying attention without biases. But sure maybe my own biases play into it because I focus on the good not the bad. That's why I love the Pope and the Magic Wand stuff. Others want to focus on the negative aspects of those things as if they are looking for them. It took others a little longer to see things my way and that's OK but I don't see any true enoyment from you as if youre waiting for it to come crashing down.

I actually feel the same way you do about Murakami . He will be difficult to extend. I just don't focus on it as a sign of impending disaster. I'll keep watching how that progresses as well as the rookies who have made such a wonderful immediate impact.

We really doing celebratory laps after two games now? Weird!

Braden looks great! Love it for him and hope he plays up to the level and keeps it going. I certainly havent changed my perspective after 8 AB's, but it might change after 100 or so!

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

You and many others decided to not wait in declaring Getz a failure and any rebuild "dead". How about you wait, and I'll go ahead and post what I want?

Yeah, how crazy to call a GM setting records of futility bad. It's funny how two+ years of s%*# isnt enough to judge off of but 2 months of competitive baseball is enough to proclaim greatness.

23 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Yeah, how crazy to call a GM setting records of futility bad. It's funny how two+ years of s%*# isnt enough to judge off of but 2 months of competitive baseball is enough to proclaim greatness.

Can somebody explain who is proclaiming this "greatness" that's triggering you? It's weird that you know so much about how to build a baseball team yet nobody's reached out to you to fill a GM slot. Maybe you just stink as an interviewee.

It's silly and short-sighted to proclaim a GM a failure when he takes over a smoldering crater and loses a lot. Every rebuild starts with losing. I suppose it's a victory getting guys like you to finally start calling it a rebuild. Welcome onto the bandwagon. There's room for everybody!

Now 6th in fWAR at 10.3 for position players with a 107 wRC+, also good for 6th in MLB. Pitching 17th in fWAR but 21st in FIP. I don't really use xFIP anymore but if you prefer it 25th in xFIP.

So good to borderline great offense and mediocre to borderline bad pitching. All adds up to 1st place so far.

Edited 13 hours ago13 hr by chitownsportsfan

The White Sox are in first place, and every single thread is the same two people bitching about things that happened years ago. Good god, will you just STFU and actually enjoy it?

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Can somebody explain who is proclaiming this "greatness" that's triggering you? It's weird that you know so much about how to build a baseball team yet nobody's reached out to you to fill a GM slot. Maybe you just stink as an interviewee.

It's silly and short-sighted to proclaim a GM a failure when he takes over a smoldering crater and loses a lot. Every rebuild starts with losing. I suppose it's a victory getting guys like you to finally start calling it a rebuild. Welcome onto the bandwagon. There's room for everybody!

Do you not understand how silly you sound everytime you mock someone for "knowing everything" because they give their opinion yet youre constantly spewing your opinion? I get youre obsessed with deferring to perceived authority, but i actually think for myself and don't need to have a job title to have an educated opinion.

You perceive it as me thinking im smarter than everyone when I give my opinion, yet when you do it it's reasonable. Make it make sense. You ever notice how I dont critique you for thinking youre smarter than everyone everytime you express a thought?

7 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Now 6th in fWAR at 10.3 for position players with a 107 wRC+, also good for 6th in MLB. Pitching 17th in fWAR but 21st in FIP. I don't really use xFIP anymore but if you prefer it 25th in xFIP.

So good to borderline great offense and mediocre to borderline bad pitching. All adds up to 1st place so far.

Top 2 offense in the AL for a very extended period of time now. That'll play!!!!

57 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

You can find what I said easily enough about challenging Ray Ray about Braden not being good "right away". That's very recent.

You can also find the predicted HR in that game thread in the archives. Again not 100% accurate since i said Gonzo would hit one also. Very bold and got it half right.

Everything else you know its true especially the Robert stuff since it involved you.

I talked about Murakami in a thread about if you could add one Free Agent who would it be. Yes I picked Murakami. Did I think the Sox had a chance to get him ? Hell no ,by all reports he was going to cost a lot more. But once he got here I always posted my belief in him . Was just a feeling ,nothing more, being a genuine Superstar in Japan which has produced some special talents to enter MLB. Even the experts focused on what was and not what could be. Special players find a way to evolve.

@caulfield12 probably remembers when I said there could be a big increase in HR's because I said not only did dig chicks dig the long ball so did everyone else. I said between Murakami and Colson they could 75-80 HRs and that was idk back in April maybe earlier. Now that might not happen because of injuries but they were on that pace and the Sox are still 2nd in HR's.

I could go way back about trading Dane Dunning for Lynn. @hi8is will tell you.

@WestEddy probably remembers some stuff but you might consider him biased since we regularly agreed on how we perceived the Getz rebuild.

I could go back even farther and I practically nailed Abreu stats his rookie year in that prediction thread.

I don't claim to be never wrong . Hell I thought Oscar Colas would be good. But I'm generally bullish on prospects.

I'm not scientific about it . A lot of it is based on positive vibes I get along with just reading situations and events as they unfold. Just observation techniques along with long exposure to White Sox baseball. Like being able to predict short dialogue responses in movies.

It's not that hard if you truly are paying attention without biases. But sure maybe my own biases play into it because I focus on the good not the bad. That's why I love the Pope and the Magic Wand stuff. Others want to focus on the negative aspects of those things as if they are looking for them. It took others a little longer to see things my way and that's OK but I don't see any true enoyment from you as if youre waiting for it to come crashing down.

I actually feel the same way you do about Murakami . He will be difficult to extend. I just don't focus on it as a sign of impending disaster. I'll keep watching how that progresses as well as the rookies who have made such a wonderful immediate impact.

You can type an essay like this but you can’t provide links to your predictions? That’s what I thought…

Once again, links or it didn’t happen.

1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You can type an essay like this but you can’t provide links to your predictions? That’s what I thought…

Once again, links or it didn’t happen.

Also, no one cares nor is keeping score of times right and times wrong. Except Cali I guess. Whatever helps him get off.

Edited 13 hours ago13 hr by Bob Sacamano

Can someone please rename this thread "SoxtalkTalk"? And then perhaps all SoxtalkTalk from other threads can be automatically routed to/confined to this thread? Thanks!

4 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

Can someone please rename this thread "SoxtalkTalk"? And then perhaps all SoxtalkTalk from other threads can be automatically routed to/confined to this thread? Thanks!

'tism containment thread. Or crabs in a bucket, pick your preferred nomenclature.

10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Top 2 offense in the AL for a very extended period of time now. That'll play!!!!

Yes and without some big bats in the lineup recently. Defense has been solid too overall, since they were at around -10 runs below avg they've climbed up to -8.1 over the last few month. Not a great defense, but solid.

38 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The White Sox are in first place, and every single thread is the same two people bitching about things that happened years ago. Good god, will you just STFU and actually enjoy it?

I responded to a mod, and your 2 buddies jumped on me. Your other buddy won't let his "post links" screed drop. Weird how trolling people isn't a problem, but responding is.

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

I responded to a mod, and your 2 buddies jumped on me. Your other buddy won't let his "post links" screed drop. Weird how trolling people isn't a problem, but responding is.

You troll people all day, every day.

Try actually enjoying this instead of whatever weird Quixote quest you are on.

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I responded to a mod, and your 2 buddies jumped on me. Your other buddy won't let his "post links" screed drop. Weird how trolling people isn't a problem, but responding is.

I just want to clear one thing up. I hate on everyone's opinions equally, and in no way, shape or form do I support a position or a post just because someone said it versus someone else.

I rip into CWS2023 as much as anyone here. He just doesn't get upset about it or take it personally. He has some fun with it like I do. I also disagree with SS2k's post all the time but we say one or two things, and then move on.

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

You troll people all day, every day.

Try actually enjoying this instead of whatever weird Quixote quest you are on.

Pro-tip: When your 3 favorites attack people for being too positive or for being right, tell them to knock it off. That'll stem most of the run-on arguments here.

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Pro-tip: When your 3 favorites attack people for being too positive or for being right, tell them to knock it off. That'll stem most of the run-on arguments here.

Pro-Tip: Don't spend all day worried about what people said years ago. Enjoy what is right in front of you.

8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I just want to clear one thing up. I hate on everyone's opinions equally, and in no way, shape or form do I support a position or a post just because someone said it versus someone else.

I rip into CWS2023 as much as anyone here. He just doesn't get upset about it or take it personally. He has some fun with it like I do. I also disagree with SS2k's post all the time but we say one or two things, and then move on.

I disagree and argue with people here all of the time. I also agree with people here all of the time. 99% get that it isn't a personal affront.

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

Pro-Tip: Don't spend all day worried about what people said years ago. Enjoy what is right in front of you.

I'm not. Read the string and stop replying.