4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

A loud ESPN personality that makes a ton of money. Must be some sort of new strategy or something…

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16 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

A loud ESPN personality that makes a ton of money. Must be some sort of new strategy or something…

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What does money have to do with anything? OK he's got a fan base as a whatever it is he does . Big loud personality's have their place in the crazy internet/TV world but Sox fans are still watching only because of Mune . I think Stephen A. Smith still has a job but I never watch him.

As far as interviewing baseball players frankly I'd rather watch Kevin Millar, Santos and Dempsey do their interview with Vargas because it was about Vargas and they all took turns talking to him. I have no idea who or what the other 3 guys were doing on that panel with McAfee . Doesn't seem like a share the spotlight type.

5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

What does money have to do with anything? OK he's got a fan base as a whatever it is he does . Big loud personality's have their place in the crazy internet/TV world but Sox fans are still watching only because of Mune . I think Stephen A. Smith still has a job but I never watch him.

As far as interviewing baseball players frankly I'd rather watch Kevin Millar, Santos and Dempsey do their interview with Vargas because it was about Vargas and they all took turns talking to him. I have no idea who or what the other 3 guys were doing on that panel with McAfee . Doesn't seem like a share the spotlight type.

Well, I guess you are in the minority then. The two highest paid talents on ESPN are — #1 Stephen A. Smith and #2 Pat McAfee. These two get paid the most because they generate the most revenue for ESPN.

Sames goes for Mune. More talent and revenue generation equals a higher salary. There’s a reason Mune signed for $34 million and not the minimum.

So that’s why money has to do with everything.

6 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Well, I guess you are in the minority then. The two highest paid talents on ESPN are — #1 Stephen A. Smith and #2 Pat McAfee. These two get paid the most because they generate the most revenue for ESPN.

Sames goes for Mune. More talent and revenue generation equals a higher salary. There’s a reason Mune signed for $34 million and not the minimum.

So that’s why money has to do with everything.

I'm in the minority of what,people who like loud and obnoxious ? Sure OK great I am but money still has nothing to do with who I watch so telling me why someone is making a lot of money still means nothing to me or why I tuned in this time. I dislike the guy like people dislike Schriff , arguing about it doesn't change my personal choice.

12 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

I'm in the minority of what,people who like loud and obnoxious ? Sure OK great I am but money still has nothing to do with who I watch so telling me why someone is making a lot of money still means nothing to me or why I tuned in this time. I dislike the guy like people dislike Schriff , arguing about it doesn't change my personal choice.

I don't think you understand. He is wealthy so you are not allowed to dislike him. His wealth is proof that he is uniquely imbued with God's grace.

13 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Well, I guess you are in the minority then. The two highest paid talents on ESPN are — #1 Stephen A. Smith and #2 Pat McAfee. These two get paid the most because they generate the most revenue for ESPN.

Sames goes for Mune. More talent and revenue generation equals a higher salary. There’s a reason Mune signed for $34 million and not the minimum.

So that’s why money has to do with everything.

For Pat it's a little different. ESPN is in reality licensing his show. Pat retains large editorial control, and the costs to produce the show are his alone. That's probably like 15 million right off the top, maybe more. Pat does a good job branding, including on social media, so I'm sure he thinks he'll make more on the top having that overall control.

I have no idea why they pay SAS what they do. I don't know anybody my age that has put his show on in 15 years. I think he exists to fill large content holes for ESPN and without a suitable replacement they are willing to pay him more than he's worth so they aren't replaying corn hole or whatever at the 10am hour. As a brand he has value to them more than just his viewership, as he is frequently a social media flash point and generates eye balls outside the hours his show is aired.

ESPN in general has been struggling to turn a profit. Their margins are under attack in various directions. They are still profitable but the margins are less than they were before the explosion in cord cutting and broadcast rights fees.

33 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

For Pat it's a little different. ESPN is in reality licensing his show. Pat retains large editorial control, and the costs to produce the show are his alone. That's probably like 15 million right off the top, maybe more. Pat does a good job branding, including on social media, so I'm sure he thinks he'll make more on the top having that overall control.

I have no idea why they pay SAS what they do. I don't know anybody my age that has put his show on in 15 years. I think he exists to fill large content holes for ESPN and without a suitable replacement they are willing to pay him more than he's worth so they aren't replaying corn hole or whatever at the 10am hour. As a brand he has value to them more than just his viewership, as he is frequently a social media flash point and generates eye balls outside the hours his show is aired.

ESPN in general has been struggling to turn a profit. Their margins are under attack in various directions. They are still profitable but the margins are less than they were before the explosion in cord cutting and broadcast rights fees.

The model is definitely broken for them. Seems the upward flow of money in the building has strangled everything that made them great

And to piggyback on Calis points about watching them, man I grew up with Sportscenter as my alarm clock. I knew the commercial timing and knew if I wasn’t up on the second break I was in trouble and gonna be late for the bus lol

The creativity is just gone. They don’t make new shows that blow our minds anymore. There is nothing unique like Stump The Schwab, they rely on the screaming at you shows and content, they overpay guys like SAS and force him into sports he doesn’t really care for or watch and then they tell us that everyone is tuning in to watch him. No, man, you won’t let me watch anything without his loud dumb ass. The way have closed up shop on so many groundbreaking shows or minimized them to special events.

ESPN has lost its way and they did it on purpose

43 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

For Pat it's a little different. ESPN is in reality licensing his show. Pat retains large editorial control, and the costs to produce the show are his alone. That's probably like 15 million right off the top, maybe more. Pat does a good job branding, including on social media, so I'm sure he thinks he'll make more on the top having that overall control.

I have no idea why they pay SAS what they do. I don't know anybody my age that has put his show on in 15 years. I think he exists to fill large content holes for ESPN and without a suitable replacement they are willing to pay him more than he's worth so they aren't replaying corn hole or whatever at the 10am hour. As a brand he has value to them more than just his viewership, as he is frequently a social media flash point and generates eye balls outside the hours his show is aired.

ESPN in general has been struggling to turn a profit. Their margins are under attack in various directions. They are still profitable but the margins are less than they were before the explosion in cord cutting and broadcast rights fees.

It's outrage porn for people who need who have perpetual need to be offended.

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It's outrage porn for people who need who have perpetual need to be offended.

About 17 years ago I was on a Spirit flight with SAS before he was really famous. Hence him taking a budget flight with my 20 something ass out of NYC. He was most known for the "cheese doodle" incident at the NBA draft at that point. He was headed to Detroit from NYC to interview for a radio gig there. We were stuck on the tarmac at DTW for like an hour before we hit the gate, that mofo never shut up the entire time he was on the phone with his agent, some relatives, female and male, and lord only knows who else. What you see on TV is def what you get IRL, for better and worse. Dude has the gift of gab. He ended up getting back on the air in NYC, the rest is history.

I had a MP3 recorder on me at the time and recorded a lot of his ranting, sadly I lost it in a HD failure years ago.

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18 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

I saw this earlier. That loudmouth irks me always cutting his guest off . So bombastic, thinks he's the star and not his guests.

He's an idiot. I don't even think listeners like morons like this, but for whatever reason these guys have "access" to players that people want to hear interviewed. It's the same thing with Mookie Betts, although he is a lot less obnoxious. Players will go on his show and talk to him and he'll ask the most inane questions. Way out of his element, he isn't a journalist, he's a ball player. Journalists don't have a role in this anymore unless they do PR for the players and their agencies. It may be 'just sports', but journalistic ethics and quality standards are completely gone.

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5 minutes ago, nrockway said:

He's an idiot. I don't even think listeners like morons like this, but for whatever reason these guys have "access" to players that people want to hear interviewed. It's the same thing with Mookie Betts, although he is a lot less obnoxious. Players will go on his show and talk to him and he'll ask the most inane questions. Way out of his element, he isn't a journalist, he's a ball player. Journalists don't have a role in this anymore unless they do PR for the players and their agencies. It may be 'just sports', but journalistic ethics and quality standards are completely gone.

This is not journalism. Almost all of the talking heads on these shows are not journalists, at least not in the roles in front of the camera. They are there to put on a show and draw people in. It's not about content, it is about eyeballs. It's Jerry Springer for sports fans.

30 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

This is not journalism. Almost all of the talking heads on these shows are not journalists, at least not in the roles in front of the camera. They are there to put on a show and draw people in. It's not about content, it is about eyeballs. It's Jerry Springer for sports fans.

Absolutely correct. As soon as Disney bought ESPN it stopped being about sports and shifted towards "entertainment" and trying to draw in non-sports fans.

3 hours ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

I don't think you understand. He is wealthy so you are not allowed to dislike him. His wealth is proof that he is uniquely imbued with God's grace.

Ahh Thank you for explaining that to me. I must be part of the hippie culture still listening to folk songs about peace, love and understanding.

3 hours ago, nrockway said:

He's an idiot. I don't even think listeners like morons like this, but for whatever reason these guys have "access" to players that people want to hear interviewed. It's the same thing with Mookie Betts, although he is a lot less obnoxious. Players will go on his show and talk to him and he'll ask the most inane questions. Way out of his element, he isn't a journalist, he's a ball player. Journalists don't have a role in this anymore unless they do PR for the players and their agencies. It may be 'just sports', but journalistic ethics and quality standards are completely gone.

To me it's just a lack of understanding the culture you are dealing with. You come off as the loud crazy American when dealing with a soft spoken respectful culture and you need to listen even more carefully because there's also and interpreter involved. That's not ideal for a guy who never shuts up.