Fans don’t really care about “positively spinning” accounting mumbo jumbo.

That’s how they ended up sending E.Johnson and Tatis, Jr. to SD in the first place.

And both for declining “Big Game/Name” pitchers in Shields and Castillo with obviously diminishing performance/crispness of stuff/peripherals.

2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Has nothing to do with praising or liking the trade. I totally understand not liking the trade or thinking they should've done something more or different. Be honest in the assessment though. Not mentioning Seranthony Dominguez is disingenuous. They took on Castillo's money but they got rid of Dominguez and his salary within the scope of the deal. It's like $12-13 million for Castillo in 2027 essentially and he'd probably get close to that on the open market still.

Keith Law didn't write it. It was someone named Johnny Flores Jr. I couldn't find him or I would've tagged him.

But that’s simply not true. The Sox are paying Castillo $22.75 million of their payroll for next season. You are basically excusing Getz for making the poor decision to give big money to a mediocre reliever for two years. He also supposedly paid for Seranthony’s $2 million buyout. So yes, Getz was able to dump Seranthony’s bad contract but that doesn’t mean Castillo will only cost $12-13 million next season.

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14 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

But that’s simply not true. The Sox are paying Castillo $22.75 million of their payroll for next season. You are basically excusing Getz for making the poor decision to give big money to a mediocre reliever for two years. He also supposedly paid for Seranthony’s $2 million buyout. So yes, Getz was able to dump Seranthony’s bad contract but that doesn’t mean Castillo will only cost $12-13 million next season.

Dominguez was signed to a guaranteed contract for next year as well. So the math to get to that $12-13M next season is the same as this season (pro-rated at this point of course).

11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Dominguez was signed to a guaranteed contract for next year as well. So the math to get to that $12-13M next season is the same as this season (pro-rated at this point of course).

Yes, I understand that. But just because he managed to dump Seranthony doesn’t mean Castillo only costs $12-13 million.

2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yes, I understand that. But just because he managed to dump Seranthony doesn’t mean Castillo only costs $12-13 million.

I mean it is functional short hand for "costs over and above what we already paid" and not for Castillo only makes X.

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I mean it is functional short hand for "costs over and above what we already paid" and not for Castillo only makes X.

I guess I just don’t think he should get credit for dumping a bad contract that he himself gave out. If it was someone like Benintendi that Getz managed to dump, then he should get the credit because he was technically a Hahn signing.

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4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I guess I just don’t think he should get credit for dumping a bad contract that he himself gave out. If it was someone like Benintendi that Getz managed to dump, then he should get the credit because he was technically a Hahn signing.

To me it just means that despite attendance being up 25%, we still aren't willing to spend money and would rather deal prospects instead.

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

To me it just means that despite attendance being up 25%, we still aren't willing to spend money and would rather deal prospects instead.

That too. Also, with every move being for a non-rental it seems like these deadline acquisitions were pretty much half of Getz’s work for next offseason.

23 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

That too. Also, with every move being for a non-rental it seems like these deadline acquisitions were pretty much half of Getz’s work for next offseason.

He 100% wasn't in "go for it" mode. He did what he needed to do to get by, with the full rationale that the best days are still ahead and not to spend too much.

11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

He 100% wasn't in "go for it" mode. He did what he needed to do to get by, with the full rationale that the best days are still ahead and not to spend too much.

I think he was right to do that, hopefully after whatever happens with the labor stuff, JR doesn't f*** it up again. But as some point, the broadcast has to give the audience some credit. Yesterday, they made it seem like Castillo would be competing for Cys while he was getting lit up, just as he has been all season.

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

I mean it is functional short hand for "costs over and above what we already paid" and not for Castillo only makes X.

Yeah, but it goes back to the idea that they paid for Dominguez to provide a level of performance at one position. That level of performance has now gone out the door, and you've obtained someone else at a different position. The costs themselves don't off-set, and no one would say Castillo now is only making 13 million which is "what he'd get on the open market."

If you wanted to trade Castillo, you need to move the whole 23 million meaning the market won't trade you for him because he doesn't actually cost 13 million that is being claimed to be his real cost "in line with the market."

18 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Yeah, but it goes back to the idea that they paid for Dominguez to provide a level of performance at one position. That level of performance has now gone out the door, and you've obtained someone else at a different position. The costs themselves don't off-set, and no one would say Castillo now is only making 13 million which is "what he'd get on the open market."

If you wanted to trade Castillo, you need to move the whole 23 million meaning the market won't trade you for him because he doesn't actually cost 13 million that is being claimed to be his real cost "in line with the market."

I mean the dollar costs absolutely offset, which is what is being said. How you want to value the performances for those dollars is a completely different story. I think the opinion is that both players were vastly underperforming their deals, which isn't exactly earthshattering.

5 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I'm struggling to see how Castillo suddenly gets paid less because you traded another asset that cost money?

Castillo's price is 23 million. This implication that Dominguez is worth zero dollars so his entire salary is an off-set is tough to accept. The Sox lost the player they valued as a 10 million/yr player 6 months ago. That's not some net monetary gain that limits the cost of Castillo on the open market.

This is fair. I don't care how much Castillo makes. I care about how much Jerry Reinsdorf would be willing to spend on the 2027 team. Castillo at $23 million with Dominguez at $10 million is different than Castillo at $23 million and Seranthony Dominguez off the team with no salary committed. That was my basic point. I'm shocked that anyone took Dominguez.

3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

But that’s simply not true. The Sox are paying Castillo $22.75 million of their payroll for next season. You are basically excusing Getz for making the poor decision to give big money to a mediocre reliever for two years. He also supposedly paid for Seranthony’s $2 million buyout. So yes, Getz was able to dump Seranthony’s bad contract but that doesn’t mean Castillo will only cost $12-13 million next season.

I'm not excusing him for anything but I do think the deal was fine. Am I GetzBot now?

2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yes, I understand that. But just because he managed to dump Seranthony doesn’t mean Castillo only costs $12-13 million.

Technically no. But this is a Jerry Reinsdorf org and every last cent matters.

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

To me it just means that despite attendance being up 25%, we still aren't willing to spend money and would rather deal prospects instead.

I actually think it's the opposite. They weren't willing to trade good prospects. They took on plenty of $$.

35 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Am I GetzBot now?

Your Cult of Getz and St. Getz profile image are on their way!

Some were speculating about the Sox trying for Hunter Green. He just went on the IL and is having elbow surgery.

53 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

This is fair. I don't care how much Castillo makes. I care about how much Jerry Reinsdorf would be willing to spend on the 2027 team. Castillo at $23 million with Dominguez at $10 million is different than Castillo at $23 million and Seranthony Dominguez off the team with no salary committed. That was my basic point. I'm shocked that anyone took Dominguez.

I'm not excusing him for anything but I do think the deal was fine. Am I GetzBot now?

Technically no. But this is a Jerry Reinsdorf org and every last cent matters.

I actually think it's the opposite. They weren't willing to trade good prospects. They took on plenty of $$.

And if they were willing to take on the entire Castillo contract, they would have sent less. That seems really obvious.

Dominguez was actually pitching much better in recent weeks...outside the closer's role, which was never a good fit, just like it's not Brazoban's place, either.

On the open market, he would probably get at least $6-8 million.

You'd have to really be VERY kind to possibly imagine anyone giving Luis Castillo more than $13-15 million as a FA (if he didn't have a guaranteed contract for next year)...unless those $150-160 million payroll floors become a reality.

8 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Has nothing to do with praising or liking the trade. I totally understand not liking the trade or thinking they should've done something more or different. Be honest in the assessment though. Not mentioning Seranthony Dominguez is disingenuous. They took on Castillo's money but they got rid of Dominguez and his salary within the scope of the deal. It's like $12-13 million for Castillo in 2027 essentially and he'd probably get close to that on the open market still.

Keith Law didn't write it. It was someone named Johnny Flores Jr. I couldn't find him or I would've tagged him.

I admit I was shitposting here. My post was low effort and a bit trolly. I wasn't being honest/ignored context about what you were talking about when you said "journalism was dead" and you're right that Keith Law didn't write that. I don't want to lie or purposely misconstrue what you said since you have a reputation and this is part of your career, so my apologies.

The one issue I did have, however, is your tweet about how all these Sox fans who have never seen Boston Smith or Mason Adams play were convinced they shouldn't be moved, and that discourse is crazy. The large majority of fans haven't seen these guys play. The diehards have seen highlights, look at box scores and keep up with the various prospect publications. At the same time, publications like FutureSox HAVE been pumping up these 2 guys up for how they have been playing and the improvements they have made. Then the second they get traded, they are just some low level prospects and fans are getting mocked for caring about them getting moved.

2 minutes ago, ron883 said:

I admit I was shitposting here. My post was low effort and a bit trolly.

What’s gotten into you, Ron? This is so out of character for you. We all like the Ron that sticks with making serious posts all the time.

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