2 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

I wasn’t asking you because I was trying to defend Doyle. I was asking because it seemed obvious you chose September 1 because it made Doyle look as bad as possible, which I think you are willing to admit with your “bully” comment.

It is a valid answer to subtracting and excusing all of the bad periods to make him look as good as possible.

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It is a valid answer to subtracting and excusing all of the bad periods to make him look as good as possible.

Agreed. But if Ray Ray is going to call people out on cherry picking time periods, then he shouldn’t be doing the same.

3 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

Agreed. But if Ray Ray is going to call people out on cherry picking time periods, then he shouldn’t be doing the same.

I would assume that is his point.

Doyle seems to have the physical talent to be a good-to-great player and has played at a reasonably high level before. But you have got to squint way too hard at the numbers to find a data-based case for why he's actually been playing well or was clearly about to start playing well. If he does well for the Sox, I'm 100% chalking it up to coaching and not that the breakout was clearly inevitable.

Shut it down boys. Don't talk about them if you haven't seen them play.

This is getting a bit ridiculous. Ray Ray is not being a bully. Any baseball fan that wasn’t biased by being either a Rockies fan or a White Sox fan could look at Doyle’s stats, defensive performance (via stats and videos), and age, and wonder why any team would pay a premium to acquire him as anything other than a backup CF / fourth outfielder.

Some posters are coming up with every reason in the book to prove there is a light at the end of the tunnel with Doyle, more than likely because they are biased as White Sox fans. Perhaps Doyle can break out with the Sox but the odds aren’t exactly with him based on his most recent performance.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by WhiteSox2023

8 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Shut it down boys. Don't talk about them if you haven't seen them play.

This is exactly what I am talking about when I talk about flipping a switch on players.

He's been bad this year but there's def some talent there. The Sox clearly don't want Braden in CF or Perieria and probably not Acuna either. Not saying that's a great idea, he seems redundant with Acuna imo, but that's what they are thinking, a glove first platoon mate for Peters.

Paying a "premium" is a Hawk like get on back there stretch. Nobody wanted Adams as anything more than waiver wire bait, Vielma 90/100 never makes any MLB impact. It's not a deal I'd have done, but it's a pretty big nothing burger unless Vielma turns into a MLB regular, and that is a long shot.

2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

He's been bad this year but there's def some talent there. The Sox clearly don't want Braden in CF or Perieria and probably not Acuna either. Not saying that's a great idea, he seems redundant with Acuna imo, but that's what they are thinking, a glove first platoon mate for Peters.

Paying a "premium" is a Hawk like get on back there stretch. Nobody wanted Adams as anything more than waiver wire bait, Vielma 90/100 never makes any MLB impact. It's not a deal I'd have done, but it's a pretty big nothing burger unless Vielma turns into a MLB regular, and that is a long shot.

I think Braden was always targeted for RF. Pereira was a flier acquisition but I don’t think he could handle CF either, and I don’t necessarily think the Sox considered him as an option there.

However, Getz had to throw resources at a CF and DFA Pereira because his previous attempts at acquiring a CF have failed (see Zavala and Acuna).

You don’t think Adams could have potentially helped the Sox bullpen right now?

Just now, WhiteSox2023 said:

You don’t think Adams could have potentially helped the Sox bullpen right now?

Not really sure THB. If they are calling up Thorpe and/or Smith, and I'd imagine they are, he's kinda without a chair at the table on the 40 man.

8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You don’t think Adams could have potentially helped the Sox bullpen right now?

Why do you keep trying to put Mason Adams in the bullpen? Do you you want him as a swingman? I like him, but it's a starter profile that is more about pitchability than stuff.

If I'm looking for a leverage arm, McDougal and Hagen Smith are way in front of Mason Adams as far as stuff playing up out of the bullpen.

(Vielma is the one I'm more worried about missing out on.)

4 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Why do you keep trying to put Mason Adams in the bullpen? Do you you want him as a swingman? I like him, but it's a starter profile that is more about pitchability than stuff.

If I'm looking for a leverage arm, McDougal and Hagen Smith are way in front of Mason Adams as far as stuff playing up out of the bullpen.

(Vielma is the one I'm more worried about missing out on.)

I guess I should have said pitching staff in general, considering Thorpe and Smith aren’t ready yet and someone will need to reduce Schultz’s innings. Not sure what the Sox plan is.

42 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Shut it down boys. Don't talk about them if you haven't seen them play.

>convinces his listeners Boston Smith is good by singing his praises all year on his podcast culminating by ranking him 15 in the system

>listeners aren't happy Boston Smith is moved

>Mocks them after sowing said discourse

Edited 36 minutes ago36 min by Buehrle>Wood

1 minute ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

>convinces his listeners Boston Smith is good by singing his praises all year to his listeners culminating by ranking him 15 in the system

>listeners aren't happy Boston Smith is moved

>Mocks them after sowing said discourse

were they referred to as prospect huggers?

when there's so much hype and hope and page views for prospects...it's normal to see attached fans get bent out of shape

reminds me a tad bit of Chris Rongey although I don't think anyone could possibly be so arrogant/dismissive/petulant all in one in dealing with Sox fans

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i don't think anyone had an issue with Smith or Adams leaving, the complaints were for what came back.

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

So September of last year wasn't in the second half and doesn't count?

One of my favorite Soxtalk exercises is the removal of all bad periods and the emphasis on good periods only.

And he's nothing like Vargas. Vargas always had great strike zone command and an elite approach. Doyle has bad strike zone command and a poor approach. The White Sox acquired one of the worst players in baseball over the last 1 1/2 years but you've painted this giant rose. Very fascinating.

We don’t agree. Who cares. I’ll root for him and believe we picked him up for a reason and you’ll s%*# all over the place cherry picking just as much as I am.

I’ve officially begun the O-Doyle Rules fan club. Maybe one day you’ll eat crow and join. If not, oh well - they took a calculated risk and didn’t hit.

End of story.

Edited 19 minutes ago19 min by hi8is

17 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

i don't think anyone had an issue with Smith or Adams leaving, the complaints were for what came back.

This. 100%.