2 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

I wasn’t asking you because I was trying to defend Doyle. I was asking because it seemed obvious you chose September 1 because it made Doyle look as bad as possible, which I think you are willing to admit with your “bully” comment.

It is a valid answer to subtracting and excusing all of the bad periods to make him look as good as possible.

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It is a valid answer to subtracting and excusing all of the bad periods to make him look as good as possible.

Agreed. But if Ray Ray is going to call people out on cherry picking time periods, then he shouldn’t be doing the same.

3 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

Agreed. But if Ray Ray is going to call people out on cherry picking time periods, then he shouldn’t be doing the same.

I would assume that is his point.

Doyle seems to have the physical talent to be a good-to-great player and has played at a reasonably high level before. But you have got to squint way too hard at the numbers to find a data-based case for why he's actually been playing well or was clearly about to start playing well. If he does well for the Sox, I'm 100% chalking it up to coaching and not that the breakout was clearly inevitable.

Shut it down boys. Don't talk about them if you haven't seen them play.

This is getting a bit ridiculous. Ray Ray is not being a bully. Any baseball fan that wasn’t biased by being either a Rockies fan or a White Sox fan could look at Doyle’s stats, defensive performance (via stats and videos), and age, and wonder why any team would pay a premium to acquire him as anything other than a backup CF / fourth outfielder.

Some posters are coming up with every reason in the book to prove there is a light at the end of the tunnel with Doyle, more than likely because they are biased as White Sox fans. Perhaps Doyle can break out with the Sox but the odds aren’t exactly with him based on his most recent performance.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by WhiteSox2023

8 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Shut it down boys. Don't talk about them if you haven't seen them play.

This is exactly what I am talking about when I talk about flipping a switch on players.

He's been bad this year but there's def some talent there. The Sox clearly don't want Braden in CF or Perieria and probably not Acuna either. Not saying that's a great idea, he seems redundant with Acuna imo, but that's what they are thinking, a glove first platoon mate for Peters.

Paying a "premium" is a Hawk like get on back there stretch. Nobody wanted Adams as anything more than waiver wire bait, Vielma 90/100 never makes any MLB impact. It's not a deal I'd have done, but it's a pretty big nothing burger unless Vielma turns into a MLB regular, and that is a long shot.

2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

He's been bad this year but there's def some talent there. The Sox clearly don't want Braden in CF or Perieria and probably not Acuna either. Not saying that's a great idea, he seems redundant with Acuna imo, but that's what they are thinking, a glove first platoon mate for Peters.

Paying a "premium" is a Hawk like get on back there stretch. Nobody wanted Adams as anything more than waiver wire bait, Vielma 90/100 never makes any MLB impact. It's not a deal I'd have done, but it's a pretty big nothing burger unless Vielma turns into a MLB regular, and that is a long shot.

I think Braden was always targeted for RF. Pereira was a flier acquisition but I don’t think he could handle CF either, and I don’t necessarily think the Sox considered him as an option there.

However, Getz had to throw resources at a CF and DFA Pereira because his previous attempts at acquiring a CF have failed (see Zavala and Acuna).

You don’t think Adams could have potentially helped the Sox bullpen right now?

Just now, WhiteSox2023 said:

You don’t think Adams could have potentially helped the Sox bullpen right now?

Not really sure THB. If they are calling up Thorpe and/or Smith, and I'd imagine they are, he's kinda without a chair at the table on the 40 man.

8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You don’t think Adams could have potentially helped the Sox bullpen right now?

Why do you keep trying to put Mason Adams in the bullpen? Do you you want him as a swingman? I like him, but it's a starter profile that is more about pitchability than stuff.

If I'm looking for a leverage arm, McDougal and Hagen Smith are way in front of Mason Adams as far as stuff playing up out of the bullpen.

(Vielma is the one I'm more worried about missing out on.)

4 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Why do you keep trying to put Mason Adams in the bullpen? Do you you want him as a swingman? I like him, but it's a starter profile that is more about pitchability than stuff.

If I'm looking for a leverage arm, McDougal and Hagen Smith are way in front of Mason Adams as far as stuff playing up out of the bullpen.

(Vielma is the one I'm more worried about missing out on.)

I guess I should have said pitching staff in general, considering Thorpe and Smith aren’t ready yet and someone will need to reduce Schultz’s innings. Not sure what the Sox plan is.

42 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Shut it down boys. Don't talk about them if you haven't seen them play.

>convinces his listeners Boston Smith is good by singing his praises all year on his podcast culminating by ranking him 15 in the system

>listeners aren't happy Boston Smith is moved

>Mocks them after sowing said discourse

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by Buehrle>Wood

1 minute ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

>convinces his listeners Boston Smith is good by singing his praises all year to his listeners culminating by ranking him 15 in the system

>listeners aren't happy Boston Smith is moved

>Mocks them after sowing said discourse

were they referred to as prospect huggers?

when there's so much hype and hope and page views for prospects...it's normal to see attached fans get bent out of shape

reminds me a tad bit of Chris Rongey although I don't think anyone could possibly be so arrogant/dismissive/petulant all in one in dealing with Sox fans

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i don't think anyone had an issue with Smith or Adams leaving, the complaints were for what came back.

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

So September of last year wasn't in the second half and doesn't count?

One of my favorite Soxtalk exercises is the removal of all bad periods and the emphasis on good periods only.

And he's nothing like Vargas. Vargas always had great strike zone command and an elite approach. Doyle has bad strike zone command and a poor approach. The White Sox acquired one of the worst players in baseball over the last 1 1/2 years but you've painted this giant rose. Very fascinating.

We don’t agree. Who cares. I’ll root for him and believe we picked him up for a reason and you’ll s%*# all over the place cherry picking just as much as I am.

I’ve officially begun the O-Doyle Rules fan club. Maybe one day you’ll eat crow and join. If not, oh well - they took a calculated risk and didn’t hit.

End of story.

Edited 57 minutes ago57 min by hi8is

17 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

i don't think anyone had an issue with Smith or Adams leaving, the complaints were for what came back.

This. 100%.

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

This is getting a bit ridiculous. Ray Ray is not being a bully.

Oh, so then you're calling Ray Ray a liar?

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

1. There was no article.

2. September is also in the second half of 2025, in case you were wondering.

3. He wasn't playing injured in 2026, he got hurt and then missed time.

I take myself too seriously but you're running around calling me an idiot because I post facts (worst outfielder in baseball since September 1st) about a players performance.

I just find it hilarious that Soxtalk couldn't wait to demote and move on from Edgar Quero because he was "so bad" yet he has the same fWAR as Brenton Doyle since September 1st of last year and Quero has played more games, so Doyle has been even worse.

1. The HI8is post had a link with an article so not only can't read you're blind https://www.purplerow.com/colorado-rockies-roster/77181/colorado-rockies-player-review-brenton-doyle-overcame-a-miserable-first-half-to-finish-with-a-positive-impact

2. I clearly said that the 2nd half included Sept and a red hot August as part of the 2nd half resurgence that was part of the article that used the term "crushing it " to describe said 2nd half while you used Sept and all of 2026 and said you couldn't see that as crushing it. No one, not me nor the article you missed said anything about 2026.

   Your opinion would be valid had you not said you couldn't see how crushing it related to the time period you talked about because that wasn't the time period they used. You missed not only the article but apparently what I said about September being a part of that 56 game 2nd half of 2025 time period.

3. I didn't even talk about 2026. All I talked about was how you created your own time period of suck and couldn't understand how that was "crushing it" when no one said 2026 and the previous September was "CRUSHING IT". You failed to see quite a bit except what you wanted to see.

   All anyone was saying is that as recently as a year ago he played pretty good for a 56 game stretch taken in aggregate That's not all that unusual for a lot of players when you separate seasons in halves even if the 2nd half is obviously shorter.

   The whole Sox team improved in the 2nd half last year with the arrival of more young talent which led me to think the advent of a more talented roster for 2026 would get the Sox 15 more wins. Looks like they will go beyond that.

   I didn't criticize your lonely F grade for the trade deadline because it very well could turn into an F. I gave it a C- myself but see potential for a solid B.

   I'm willing to see all sides. I'm not sure you are.

4 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

1. The HI8is post had a link with an article so not only can't read you're blind https://www.purplerow.com/colorado-rockies-roster/77181/colorado-rockies-player-review-brenton-doyle-overcame-a-miserable-first-half-to-finish-with-a-positive-impact

2. I clearly said that the 2nd half included Sept and a red hot August as part of the 2nd half resurgence that was part of the article that used the term "crushing it " to describe said 2nd half while you used Sept and all of 2026 and said you couldn't see that as crushing it. No one, not me nor the article you missed said anything about 2026.

   Your opinion would be valid had you not said you couldn't see how crushing it related to the time period you talked about because that wasn't the time period they used. You missed not only the article but apparently what I said about September being a part of that 56 game 2nd half of 2025 time period.

3. I didn't even talk about 2026. All I talked about was how you created your own time period of suck and couldn't understand how that was "crushing it" when no one said 2026 and the previous September was "CRUSHING IT". You failed to see quite a bit except what you wanted to see.

   All anyone was saying is that as recently as a year ago he played pretty good for a 56 game stretch taken in aggregate That's not all that unusual for a lot of players when you separate seasons in halves even if the 2nd half is obviously shorter.

   The whole Sox team improved in the 2nd half last year with the arrival of more young talent which led me to think the advent of a more talented roster for 2026 would get the Sox 15 more wins. Looks like they will go beyond that.

   I didn't criticize your lonely F grade for the trade deadline because it very well could turn into an F. I gave it a C- myself but see potential for a solid B.

   I'm willing to see all sides. I'm not sure you are.

You guys are right, I'm wrong.

oDoyle rules.

23 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

This. 100%.

There's never 100% consensus on any trade. Everyone knows that. Plenty of people thought Gonzalez was wasted on not trying to use him to acquire a pitcher. mostly from all who thought he was a bust. People were still calling it Gonzalez for Thome when it was more about driving the price up on a 1st round talent like Prosek to be able to pay him in the 3rd round with the extra money that came with getting the comp pick.

Then they come on here acting like oh can't wait to see how opinions flip with Adams and B. Smith as if they've never did that .

53 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

i don't think anyone had an issue with Smith or Adams leaving, the complaints were for what came back.

Just begging for consistency on evaluations. These guys didn't just instantly depreciate because Chris Getz traded them.

7 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

There's never 100% consensus on any trade. Everyone knows that. Plenty of people thought Gonzalez was wasted on not trying to use him to acquire a pitcher. mostly from all who thought he was a bust. People were still calling it Gonzalez for Thome when it was more about driving the price up on a 1st round talent like Prosek to be able to pay him in the 3rd round with the extra money that came with getting the comp pick.

Then they come on here acting like oh can't wait to see how opinions flip with Adams and B. Smith as if they've never did that .

My opinion is that @Dick Allen is right. I doubt most people were treating Mason Adams and Boston Smith as untouchable prospects. They thought that some of Castillo’s contract money should have been sent over by the Mariners for next season due to the inclusion of Smith. Instead, Getz paid for Dominguez’s $2 million buyout for next year. Also, trading Mason Adams wasn’t the problem. It’s who they traded him for. Trading him for an outfielder that is arguably worse than the outfielders you already have is questionable.