13 minutes ago, Bonemer, I Hardly Know Her said:

Soxtalk presents completely plausible scenario where manager takes heat for players and finds a clever way to buy time for his pitcher to warm up. Know-it-all shits on it and takes the pessimistic view every time.

And the guy who barrels in and scolds every positive person who opines about SoxTalk, en masse, doesn't have a care in the world about K-I-A regularly mocking everybody here. Weird.

13 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

This place has become intolerable.

6 minutes ago, Lukakke Appling said:

I think he fucked up, personally. I also think he’s done a great job overall, so I’m less annoyed by it than some other that don’t like him as much.

Fair

No, I don’t think the Red Sox are cheating.

Whoops, wrong conspiracy theory thread.

According to Venable, he was considering going to Sandlin after another couple of hitters anyway.

1 hour ago, SoxBlanco said:

What appeal was he trying to execute? He said he walked out there to execute an appeal and forgot they had already used one mound visit.

I thought I read somewhere Jose Ramirez admitted he didn’t touch 3rd base prior to scoring on the final pitch Schultz threw. My guess is that is what Venable was going to appeal.

3 minutes ago, Snopek said:

No, I don’t think the Red Sox are cheating.

Whoops, wrong conspiracy theory thread.

Thoughts on moon landing?

The Sox have totally jacked up Noah. The good thing is the offseason is almost here and he is still young with high end stuff (despite Sox jacking that up too). Prior to this start we had seen some progress but he also doesn’t have ability to go deep vs big leaguers.

Get him down there with a simplified game plan and give him some extra rest beteeen starts to keep building up his durability and momentum. Wouldn’t be shocked to see him up in September out of the pen and then a good mini refresh in the offseason with a much sharper game plan.

I will caveat - at this point - there is plenty I’m pleased with by the Sox, but I think they need to strongly consider shake ups on the pitching development / coordination side…cause it has been nothing but a massive series of failures.

1 minute ago, Chisoxfn said:

The Sox have totally jacked up Noah. The good thing is the offseason is almost here and he is still young with high end stuff (despite Sox jacking that up too). Prior to this start we had seen some progress but he also doesn’t have ability to go deep vs big leaguers.

Get him down there with a simplified game plan and give him some extra rest beteeen starts to keep building up his durability and momentum. Wouldn’t be shocked to see him up in September out of the pen and then a good mini refresh in the offseason with a much sharper game plan.

I will caveat - at this point - there is plenty I’m pleased with by the Sox, but I think they need to strongly consider shake ups on the pitching development / coordination side…cause it has been nothing but a massive series of failures.

A big FA signing (yes, I know) and a trade from our middle infield prospect depth could go a long way toward solidifying our staff.

And at least 1 of McDougal, Schultz, or Hagen panning out.

Regarding Will - he messed up. I don’t get any sense that he doesn’t put in the work or do all the right things as a big league manager. s%*# happens and it was stupid (or very smart) but I’ll stick to stupid for sake of this.

Everyone has made stupid mistakes in life, even at things they are good at. If you have good habits and ethics and everything else…you own it, move on and never make it again. He’s done those things so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Now if he is napping in dug out or clueless all the time that would be different, but he has given me zero of those vibes and this is all assuming he just totally dropped the ball.

I wouldn’t be shocked if the inverse was true too - and he was really playing checkers there.

1 minute ago, Bonemer, I Hardly Know Her said:

A big FA signing (yes, I know) and a trade from our middle infield prospect depth could go a long way toward solidifying our staff.

And at least 1 of McDougal, Schultz, or Hagen panning out.

I believe we see Sox make a free agent splash and a trade…my guess is they target an outfielder (maybe the guy from japan) and a starting pitcher. And I could see both being free agent signings. I think we see their payroll jump to the 150-175M range.

And Id like to see them do that while having the 3 stud ss prospects still In the minors plus retaining Hagen/Noah/Tanner/Sandlin as having that sort of depth will force real competition but also comes in handy.

Note: I think we see Ishibia transition happening soon, but even with that, I think JR post lock out will make one final splash knowing he won’t be on back end of any of those deals.

2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

Regarding Will - he messed up. I don’t get any sense that he doesn’t put in the work or do all the right things as a big league manager. s%*# happens and it was stupid (or very smart) but I’ll stick to stupid for sake of this.

Everyone has made stupid mistakes in life, even at things they are good at. If you have good habits and ethics and everything else…you own it, move on and never make it again. He’s done those things so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Now if he is napping in dug out or clueless all the time that would be different, but he has given me zero of those vibes and this is all assuming he just totally dropped the ball.

I wouldn’t be shocked if the inverse was true too - and he was really playing checkers there.

Very well could be the case. Fair take.

But, a White Sox manager napping in the dugout?! That could never happen...

30 minutes ago, Bonemer, I Hardly Know Her said:

Soxtalk presents completely plausible scenario where manager takes heat for players and finds a clever way to buy time for his pitcher to warm up. Know-it-all shits on it and takes the pessimistic view every time.

We already have proof in the form of Venable’s admission after the game that he messed up. The burden of proof is on the people making this hypothetical claim and you have none to support this claim. Is it even a pessimistic view when the manager admitted to it himself?

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1 minute ago, Chisoxfn said:

I believe we see Sox make a free agent splash and a trade…my guess is they target an outfielder (maybe the guy from japan) and a starting pitcher. And I could see both being free agent signings. I think we see their payroll jump to the 150-175M range.

And Id like to see them do that while having the 3 stud ss prospects still In the minors plus retaining Hagen/Noah/Tanner/Sandlin as having that sort of depth will force real competition but also comes in handy.

Note: I think we see Ishibia transition happening soon, but even with that, I think JR post lock out will make one final splash knowing he won’t be on back end of any of those deals.

Please god. Im not as optimistic but I hope youre right

19 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I dont even know what "execute an appeal" means in baseball context, as in requiring the manager to come out of the dugout. Thats not how you appeal.

The guy screwed up and gave a bs explanation. Happens everyday in life.

This place has jumped the shark it seems and my contributions dont really have a place here anymore. No biggie.

Ray, your perspective most certainly DOES have a place here, every bit as much as anyone else's.

I always try to keep Dave Mason's lyric in mind:

"There ain't no good guy. There ain't no bad guy. There's only you and me, and we just disagree."

And I've also benefited greatly from the meme that I often see here... "F**k you, and see ya tomorrow."

It's taught me that it's possible to express opposing views, with great conviction, occasionally butting heads with others and getting at each other's throats, and still have an unwritten understanding that it's not personal, even when it's sometimes loud and coarse.

38 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Zero chance.

He looked like a confused moron, not like some savant gaming the system.

Occams razor is something people have a hard time accepting.

SoxTalk won't accept a Top 3 Ivy educated dude making this mistake...or McKinven not catching it, too.

The Red Sox broke this fanbase's collective brain

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

SoxTalk won't accept a Top 3 Ivy educated dude making this mistake...or McKinven not catching it, too.

Vogt sure caught it immediately, which makes sense since he was a catcher.

1 minute ago, nrockway said:

The Red Sox broke this fanbase's collective brain

Manager makes dumb mistake…

Manager admits to dumb mistake right after the game…

SoxTalk is stupid.

Okay…

26 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

The wrong guy walked out that door!

18 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

We already have proof in the form of Venable’s admission after the game that he messed up. The burden of proof is on the people making this hypothetical claim and you have none to support this claim. Is it even a pessimistic view when the manager admitted to it himself?

This ain't criminal court

16 minutes ago, Bonemer, I Hardly Know Her said:

Thoughts on moon landing?

The “moon” was created by the government as a cover-up explanation for the oceans tides, which are actually the result of a deep sea bunker housing crashed ufo’s and extraterrestrial bodies.

Holy hell do we need a sox win in the worst way.

7 minutes ago, Snopek said:

The “moon” was created by the government as a cover-up explanation for the oceans tides, which are actually the result of a deep sea bunker housing crashed ufo’s and extraterrestrial bodies.

Holy hell do we need a sox win in the worst way.

This is a deep cut. Where do you think those drones that were terrorizing New Jersey came from? The alien craft production center beneath the Bermuda Triangle.

Hang on.....I wasn't watching and only saw things after the fact......was Sandling given extra time to warm up? If so, then he 100% gamed the system. We had seen that act before with Schultz he wasn't going to give the Sox anything last evening and pulling the plug early was the correct call.

In regard ruining a pitcher I think the job is mental and muscle memory unlike hitting which I think is 90% mental and experience when you get to the MLB. He now knows what he needs to work on moreso than pitching in the minors and dominating.

5 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:

Hang on.....I wasn't watching and only saw things after the fact......was Sandling given extra time to warm up? If so, then he 100% gamed the system. We had seen that act before with Schultz he wasn't going to give the Sox anything last evening and pulling the plug early was the correct call.

Yes - ump originally called that Noah could pitch to the current batter and be pulled after. After obvious objection from Guards manager and back and forth from umps they said he had to be pulled immediately. Looking at the timestamps from the game it bought Sandlin ~3 mins.