5 hours ago5 hr 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:And Wheeler.And an offer for that Japanese pitcher who signed with the Yankees and was pretty good but not elite.And ARod.But that's worth next to zero to fans.Is there an "almost" banner?Tanaka.He's the pitcher that David Kaplan proclaimed very loudly that "The Cubs would not be outbid for him..." 😉
5 hours ago5 hr Ilitch's son has been much more careful since assuming control, but they're usually in the $135/150 million range in recent years.The White Sox ramped up 2020-23, but two of those years were pretty much busts, especially 2023.From 2006-2019, surely Detroit had the higher average comparing the two.Detroit attendance has also been significantly higher since Comerica as well.Neither team runs a higher payroll every single year, as both franchises go through distinct cycles of spending and rebuilding. Historically, the Detroit Tigers have reached significantly higher spending peaks—most notably during the late Mike Ilitch era—while the Chicago White Sox traditionally maintained a more stable mid-market payroll before entering an aggressive cost-cutting phase. Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by caulfield12
5 hours ago5 hr 4 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:Tanaka.He's the pitcher that David Kaplan proclaimed very loudly that "The Cubs would not be outbid for him..." 😉Right...and Hideki Irabu failed so miserably he would later take his own life.
5 hours ago5 hr 2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:Ilitch's son has been much more careful since assuming control, but they're usually in the $135/150 million range in recent years.The White Sox ramped up 2020-23, but two of those years were pretty much busts, especially 2023.From 2006-2019, surely Detroit had the higher average comparing the two.Neither team runs a higher payroll every single year, as both franchises go through distinct cycles of spending and rebuilding. Historically, the Detroit Tigers have reached significantly higher spending peaks—most notably during the late Mike Ilitch era—while the Chicago White Sox traditionally maintained a more stable mid-market payroll before entering an aggressive cost-cutting phase.During the three rebuild years before 2020 the Sox as I recall had either the very lowest payroll (one season) and two of the lowest in MLB.
5 hours ago5 hr 6 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:During the three rebuild years before 2020 the Sox as I recall had either the very lowest payroll (one season) and two of the lowest in MLB.Right 2017-192024-26Original Machado deal was $300 million for ten years.That was fine...$240 million for over 30.2 fWAR, which is $8 million per 1 fWAR.It was the extension/ripped up contract in 2023 that was very bad.Still got credibility of a future HoFer, making it easier to bring in more talent.Sellouts, Top 3 attendance.5/7 playoffs.Doubled franchise value to $3.9 billion.Actually Tatis Jr. has been the only strong high extracted value deal. First Machado deal was fine.Jackson Merrill jury still out.Bogaerts and Cronenworth simply terrible.Darvish Musgrove disasters for a number of reasons...although insurance paying some of that back, Yu agreed to defer some as well in lieu of outright retirement.Michael King has been fine...Pivetta very good last year but hurt this season.
5 hours ago5 hr 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:The irony is the Sox have done each once in the almost 50 year Jerry Reindsdorf era. Albert Belle and 2005.Tiger payroll is about $130M larger than the White Sox' this season. I'm sure there's gonna be a hell of a parade in downtown Detroit for that. Keep rooting for payroll. I'll root for wins.
4 hours ago4 hr WestEddy vociferously complained about SD's contracts for a number of years (unsustainable for a small market), but it was actually the RSN implosion and Covid that got them...just like the White Sox.To the tune of $425/450 million in debt accrued, compared to $125/150 for the White Sox.PE jumped in and refinanced that debt for a share of ownership...that paid off handsomely. Capitalism.
4 hours ago4 hr 1 hour ago, Bill The Boy said:I think as fans we'd all do well to stop occasionally and remember that, with all their high-level skills, our guys are only human.And most of the team are 1st and 2nd year major leaguers.
4 hours ago4 hr 4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:Tiger payroll is about $130M larger than the White Sox' this season. I'm sure there's gonna be a hell of a parade in downtown Detroit for that. Keep rooting for payroll. I'll root for wins.spotrac2026 MLB Team Salary Payroll TrackerA real-time look at the 2026 salary payroll totals for each MLB team..$97 million.You're conveniently forgetting the eminently serviceable Luis Castillo.
4 hours ago4 hr 2 hours ago, HeGetzUs said:Why is Pham getting playing time over Antonacci?? I swear Venable trying to lose this thingWil Questionable with another bizarre lineup.
4 hours ago4 hr Rookie Espino and his hard to control 100 mph fb could lose for the Guardians...who have Langeliers and Butler back at least.Still missing Kurtz Rooker and Wilson.And Bolte has been fun. Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by caulfield12
4 hours ago4 hr 34 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:Right...and Hideki Irabu failed so miserably he would later take his own life....
4 hours ago4 hr 75% win probabilityaccording to mlb.comCubs Phils Padres separated by one Reason too2-1 Reds Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by caulfield12
4 hours ago4 hr 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:The irony is the Sox have done each once in the almost 50 year Jerry Reindsdorf era. Albert Belle and 2005.Plus, they have what I believe is the record amount for signing Latin American/Cuban players when they signed Luis Robert. This was in the old days before the current method of signing prospects. I believe the amount was close to $25 Million plus a penalty of another 15 or so.
4 hours ago4 hr 2 minutes ago, oldsox said:Plus, they have what I believe is the record amount for signing Latin American/Cuban players when they signed Luis Robert. This was in the old days before the current method of signing prospects. I believe the amount was close to $25 Million plus a penalty of another 15 or so.Sure it wasn't Moncada?
4 hours ago4 hr 11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:spotrac2026 MLB Team Salary Payroll TrackerA real-time look at the 2026 salary payroll totals for each MLB team..$97 million.You're conveniently forgetting the eminently serviceable Luis Castillo.I'm conveniently making a point that Detroit had a payroll more than double that of the White Sox and will finish behind us in the standings. Perhaps you want to change the focus to the price of milk shakes so that you don't have to focus on the simple fact that the Sox are getting more out of less payroll.
4 hours ago4 hr 43 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:Right...and Hideki Irabu failed so miserably he would later take his own life.As per Wikipedia:Hideki Irabu - WikipediaIrabu was found dead in his Rancho Palos Verdes home on 27 July 2011. He was reported to have hanged himself.[2][4] He left behind his wife and two children.[32] Irabu's autopsy showed he was inebriated at the time of his death, with both alcohol and Ativan in his system. He was reportedly despondent because his wife had taken their two daughters and left him.
4 hours ago4 hr 20 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:WestEddy vociferously complained about SD's contracts for a number of years (unsustainable for a small market), but it was actually the RSN implosion and Covid that got them...just like the White Sox.Not sure what I said, but if I said that, not sure how it's wrong.
4 hours ago4 hr 12 minutes ago, HeGetzUs said:3-0 Athletics over Cleveland here in the 1st….LFG!!!The bum starting for the A’s will give it back real quick
4 hours ago4 hr 4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:I'm conveniently making a point that Detroit had a payroll more than double that of the White Sox and will finish behind us in the standings. Perhaps you want to change the focus to the price of milk shakes so that you don't have to focus on the simple fact that the Sox are getting more out of less payroll.Nobody is arguing that.It happens for every rebuilding team then cycles the other way like 2020-23 White Sox.Sox have been rebuilding for the better part of 15 years.No championships or banners for Brewers/Rays being most efficient either.And it's the Guardians with the lowest right???
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