black jack Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 I remember a few years ago our inability to get a 2nd baseman signed (Bobby Hill i think?), but what were the problems with the Arod contract and was there something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Bobby Hill was one. Borass pulled a stunt to get top pick Bobby Seay declared a free agent. He also lied to him while we were making a run at ARod. I know there are others I can't recall right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black jack Posted October 16, 2004 Author Share Posted October 16, 2004 what were the Arod lies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 what were the Arod lies? Something to do with their contract offer vs other teams... I can't remember the details now, I just remember the dirty pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 The ARod crap was Boras telling Jerry that the deal was done and then less than 24 hours later sealing the deal with Texas. Hicks was pissed also because Boras told him the Sox had outbid him - which is why the Rangers came back with an offer $15 million over the standing offer (which was Hicks offer anyway). The Sox never offered more than a 4 year deal for ARod, and Boras made the Sox believe that was good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Conspiracy theory- Sox keep they're mouths shut about the Ordonez situation, Boras keeps Sox up to date and upfront about Beltran negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 The ARod crap was Boras telling Jerry that the deal was done and then less than 24 hours later sealing the deal with Texas. Hicks was pissed also because Boras told him the Sox had outbid him - which is why the Rangers came back with an offer $15 million over the standing offer (which was Hicks offer anyway). The Sox never offered more than a 4 year deal for ARod, and Boras made the Sox believe that was good enough. The league doesn't crack down on that crap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Didn't Jeff Weaver refuse to sign with us when we drafted him? IIRC, his dad didn't want him to sign with the Sox, but Boras is his agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Didn't Jeff Weaver refuse to sign with us when we drafted him? IIRC, his dad didn't want him to sign with the Sox, but Boras is his agent. Yes, good call. I knew there was someone else I couldn't remember. Weaver refused to sign with us too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 The league doesn't crack down on that crap? There is a subtle difference between lying and allowing a team to think there are other offers on the table. It is called negotiating. Those that do it well, and Boras does, win most of the time. Similar to a bluff in poker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Crack down on what? Â Negotiating contracts. Â He bluffed and the Rangers bought it. Â Should they crack down if a GM says: "Ive got a few offers for my player" when really there are none? Â Judging the market is part of the game. Â (Edit) Â Damn Rex posted like the same thing while I was typing. Â SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 The league doesn't crack down on that crap? What could Bud Selig authorize to prevent this? He wouldn't f*** with agents. I guarantee the players association wouldn't be too fond of bargaining practices being undermined. All Boras gave JR was his word, and it's a shame that doesn't hold much value in the business of sports, but nothing is final until the dotted line is signed. Hicks is the one who panicked and threw a ridiculous amount of cash in front of A-Rod; Boras did his job. Â It would be easier to ignore him if he weren't representing the best players in the league. Sometimes it seems he's the only damn agent in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 He gets the best players for a reason...they feel that he best represents their interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 they feel that he best represents their interests. Simplified: $ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Bobby Hill and Bobby Seay both turned out to be well worth the money. Â We all like to rip JR -- with good reason. Â But he was smart enough not to flush money down the toilet on those two stiffs. Â Kudos to JR for not gobbling up Boras' BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 I don't like Boras either, but doesn't Drew Rosenhaus do the same thing in football, like with Willis McGehee (however you spell it)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Drew Rosenhaus is the Scott Boras of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 I just wish JR could find some middle ground. Sign some damn role players and win one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Drew Rosenhaus is the Scott Boras of football. Or maybe Scott Boras is the Drew Rosenhaus of baseball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Drew Rosenhaus is the Scott Boras of football. I actually think the Posten brothers are the Boras of football. That whole Winslow contract thing didn't go over well, and there are teams that won't deal with them. But that's besides the point. I don't have a problem with telling people that another team has made an offer(real or not), but if he really told JR to his face that 4 years would be good enough and that the deal was pretty much done, that's bulls***. Lying to an owner/GM is a quick way to lose credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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