Texsox Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 (edited) Way back when some of y'all were in diapers the Sox retired #3 Harold Baines number. This was in 1989 after 10 seasons with the White Sox. As y'all know, Baines went on to play 13 more seasons, including a couple more stints with the Sox. A quick, estimates of the numbers comparing Maggs and Baines. Interesting that it is knee troubles that seemingly having both players exiting the Sox. Baines 1300 games, 700 RBI, 190 HR, 800 RBI, .300 AVG (6yrs OF 4yrs DH) Maggs 1001 games, 624 RBI, 187 HR, 700 RBI, .307 AVG (8 yrs OF) Great summary of Baines career Edited December 4, 2004 by Texsox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 at that time though, Baines' numbers were pretty damn good. interesting nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 The numbers are apples and oranges from two different eras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 They are/were two terrific players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Then we traded Baines for Sammy Sosa and Wilson Alvarez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 I love Maggs but I wouldn't retire his jersey if he leaves us. Modern baseball means players and agents screw fans and teams. So screw them back. Don't retire his uni. And I do love Maggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Then we traded Baines for Sammy Sosa and Wilson Alvarez. and then Sosa for George Bell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 They looked remarkably similar at first although Baines did play 299 more games & they were 2 very different eras as some1 before said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSF Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 From what I heard about Harold from different announcers, commentators and publications was that before his knee problems relegated him to full time DH duty, that he was one of the best defensive right fielders in the game. Maybe one of the older posters (I started following the Sox after '83) can give a more detailed account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 I love Maggs but I wouldn't retire his jersey if he leaves us. Modern baseball means players and agents screw fans and teams. So screw them back. Don't retire his uni. And I do love Maggs. Agreed. Respect what he's done for this organization as far as busting his ass on the field day in and day out. Don't give a crap what money issues and lies he's done off the field, I will always respect Maggs and what he's accomplished in a white sox uni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Yeah I can't see how anybody would want to retire #30. There are probably some (morons) hesitant to retire #35. Like I said, Maggs was great. Much the way Jack McDowell was great. But it doesn't mean that you hang their jersey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Yeah I can't see how anybody would want to retire #30. There are probably some (morons) hesitant to retire #35. Like I said, Maggs was great. Much the way Jack McDowell was great. But it doesn't mean that you hang their jersey I'd hang Black Jack's jersey. They ran him out of town via trade, he didn't do what Mags is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 From what I heard about Harold from different announcers, commentators and publications was that before his knee problems relegated him to full time DH duty, that he was one of the best defensive right fielders in the game. Maybe one of the older posters (I started following the Sox after '83) can give a more detailed account. He was steady, had good range and had a very good arm. I wouldn't put him up there with the best, but just at the next lower level. Maybe when both were at their very healthiest, Baines was a hair better than Maggs defensively. They really are very similar players, although Maggs speaks English more often.[ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Neither Black Jack or maggs deserve that honor. That should be reserved for the best of the best. Number 35 qualifies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 5, 2004 Author Share Posted December 5, 2004 Neither Black Jack or maggs deserve that honor. That should be reserved for the best of the best. Number 35 qualifies. Amen to that. It should be automatic, wthout any discussion at this point. I would suggest doing it at his last game, I doubt he'll ver return to the old ballpark, aka #72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Amen to that. It should be automatic, wthout any discussion at this point. I would suggest doing it at his last game, I doubt he'll ver return to the old ballpark, aka #72 Carlton Fisk did return to the park for his jersey/number retirement ceremony. I was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Carlton Fisk did return to the park for his jersey/number retirement ceremony. I was there. Yeah, he threw at the first pitch at opening day last year, didn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Yeah, he threw at the first pitch at opening day last year, didn't he? Could be... we tailgated pretty good before openning day, I don't remember the ceremonial first pitch Pudges number retirement was a few years back though, I do remember that. I am pretty sure I even took some pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 6, 2004 Author Share Posted December 6, 2004 I do think it is safe to say Frank will not be hanging around the ballpark shouting let's play two today. It seems to me he hasn't had the warm cozy relationship with the team. Next time he'll look up diminished skills in the dictionary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Amen to that. It should be automatic, wthout any discussion at this point. I would suggest doing it at his last game, I doubt he'll ver return to the old ballpark, aka #72 Carlton's been back to the park several times. When they retired his number, several opening day pitches, he was there for all the AS events - and coached the Futures game. And, IMO, you're off base on Frank's relationship with the Sox. Jerry and Frank are very, very close. The only person that Frank doesn't like and vice versa from what I have ever seen is Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 6, 2004 Author Share Posted December 6, 2004 Carlton's been back to the park several times. When they retired his number, several opening day pitches, he was there for all the AS events - and coached the Futures game. And, IMO, you're off base on Frank's relationship with the Sox. Jerry and Frank are very, very close. The only person that Frank doesn't like and vice versa from what I have ever seen is Kenny. That's right, you've mentioned that before. Does KW and JR play good cop ~ bad cop? IMHO, when Frank's playing days are over, a Frank statue should be placed at Cominsky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I wonder if the White Sox will exercise the buyout clause after this coming season. What is it Steff, like a $3M payout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I wonder if the White Sox will exercise the buyout clause after this coming season. What is it Steff, like a $3M payout? In 2006, Thomas can exercise an option paying him $10 million, and if he declines, the Sox can pick it up at $12 million or else opt for a $3.5 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I wonder if the White Sox will exercise the buyout clause after this coming season. What is it Steff, like a $3M payout? I think it's $4mil... but don't quote me. And Tex.. I don't know what they do. But I do know that Frank deals with Jerry directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 So ... Frank can opt to stay for 2006 and the White Sox have no control over the issue, that's how it reads to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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