T R U Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 04:12 PM) Contreras had a great outing. I hate wasting those, when we don't know how many we'll get. What's w/ all this spamming talk? Just b/c the thread's so long? (Why chat rocks, btw...) At first I thought this was a joke. qwerty's the best. When I looked at the chat there were two people in there.. it was fun yesterday when we were in there.. no one started b****ing at other members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 (edited) No, im not the one whose spamming the f*** out of the site ah ok, yeah... just joking too <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmmm, you seem to have more posts than me. Edited April 7, 2005 by Jabroni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan56789 @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 04:06 PM) True..but i dont see why cotts, pollite and marte all faced 1 batter and were taken out. That is what pisses me off more than the loss. I hated seeing Viz struggle when he was forced into it. Cotts faced more than one batter, he probably had to be taken out when he was. The questions are should Politte have stayed in to face a lefty? Should Marte have gone into the 8th? Or should have Hermanson continued? All fun points to debate. But points that Ozzie was probably right to think none were going to ever be considered. Plus we did have Vizcaino as emergency. Things went to complete s*** in a hurry, this happens so infrequently in a season that I'm not going to put any blame on Ozzie for that. BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE BRING IN JON G IN THE 11TH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 10:09 PM) The funny thing is that everyone ripping on Ozzie for using too many relievers never said a word about it when he made the pitching changes. The fact is that Shingo blew the game. How was Ozzie supposed to forsee that happening? Hindsight is a great thing, isn't it? Well, you always should keep in mind that it can happen, even though you can't forsee it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 We need the chat to be more active... when i was in it on opening day it was pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Jabroni just cracked one hundred posts in one thread. Yes. A hundo. Wow. That's it. I've seen enough. I've had it LMFAO! See ya tomorrow folks. 7:10. Same place. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was doing some play-by-play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 10:09 PM) The funny thing is that everyone ripping on Ozzie for using too many relievers never said a word about it when he made the pitching changes. The fact is that Shingo blew the game. How was Ozzie supposed to forsee that happening? Hindsight is a great thing, isn't it? No, but this is now two days in a row in which Ozzie has used Marte -- clearly our best reliever, and our best reliever the past three seasons, and one of the best left handed relievers in the AL -- as a situational lefty. He's more important than to be used for one f***ing guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(T R U @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 10:13 PM) When I looked at the chat there were two people in there.. it was fun yesterday when we were in there.. no one started b****ing at other members I'm the glue. Chat's awesome, off-topic, more casual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 60 pitches is a lot for anyone other than the long reliever. Hey, at least now we know why Widger made the cluib over Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 04:12 PM) Contreras had a great outing. I hate wasting those, when we don't know how many we'll get. i'm right with you on that. i feel bad for contrares and especially Viz who was put into a really s***ty position... we really shoulda pulled this one out because, like you say, we dont know how many good outings we'll get from this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 04:09 PM) The funny thing is that everyone ripping on Ozzie for using too many relievers never said a word about it when he made the pitching changes. The fact is that Shingo blew the game. How was Ozzie supposed to forsee that happening? Hindsight is a great thing, isn't it? He couldn't have known. But I don't blame Ozzie for failing to remove Shingo I'm wondering why Ozzie used Cotts/Marte/Politte in specialist roles, each recording only one out. Marte is more valuable than a specialist, Cotts should pitch more than one inning, whereas Politte (depending LH/RH batter) could have defintely pitched deeper considering this is his first outting. Because of this, the bullpen was stretched out and Vizcaino was left to rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(T R U @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 10:08 PM) At least qwerty posts useful and relevant posts, unlike some other posters I know that, i Qwerty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(Reddy @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 10:17 PM) i'm right with you on that. i feel bad for contrares and especially Viz who was put into a really s***ty position... we really shoulda pulled this one out because, like you say, we dont know how many good outings we'll get from this guy. Agreed on Viz -- not a fair reflection on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Well I am most pissed off because there goes the 162 - 0 season!! :banghead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 04:17 PM) He couldn't have known. But I don't blame Ozzie for failing to remove Shingo I'm wondering why Ozzie used Cotts/Marte/Politte in specialist roles, each recording only one out. Marte is more valuable than a specialist, Cotts should pitch more than one inning, whereas Politte (depending LH/RH batter) could have defintely pitched deeper considering this is his first outting. Because of this, the bullpen was stretched out and Vizcaino was left to rot. Cotts was coming out of the game pretty much no matter what there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 (edited) He couldn't have known. But I don't blame Ozzie for failing to remove Shingo I'm wondering why Ozzie used Cotts/Marte/Politte in specialist roles, each recording only one out. Marte is more valuable than a specialist, Cotts should pitch more than one inning, whereas Politte (depending LH/RH batter) could have defintely pitched deeper considering this is his first outting. Because of this, the bullpen was stretched out and Vizcaino was left to rot. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Cotts was shaky as hell, remember? He put runners at the corners. Also, if Ozzie had left Politte in the game he would have had to face Hafner, a power-hitting lefty. Where were you, man? Edited April 7, 2005 by Jabroni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 04:19 PM) Cotts was shaky as hell, remember? He put runners at the corners. Also, if Ozzie had left Politte in the game he would have had to face Hafner, a power-hitting lefty. Where were you, man? I'm satisfied with the way Ozzie handled the situation but where was Garland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 04:14 PM) Hmmm, you seem to have more posts than me. I have also been here for 3 years einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Why not just let Marte pitch the 7th, and Hermanson the 8th? I hate the logic of using Marte as a situational lefty. He's the type of pitcher that needs to get into a rhythm on the mound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(T R U @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 10:21 PM) I have also been here for 3 years einstein Details, details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 04:19 PM) Cotts was shaky as hell, remember? He put runners at the corners. Also, if Ozzie had left Politte in the game he would have had to face Hafner, a power-hitting lefty. Where were you, man? why not put in marte to begin with? or hermanson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 (edited) I'm satisfied with the way Ozzie handled the situation but where was Garland? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At that point the game was over. Putting Garland in probably would have been a waste. He just sacrificed Vizcaino. Edited April 7, 2005 by Jabroni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 No matter what though, this loss falls on Shingo's hands. Having relievers left for extra innings or not, Shingo was given the ball with a 3 run lead and 3 outs to get. He failed miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 10:21 PM) I'm satisfied with the way Ozzie handled the situation but where was Garland? Ozzie's saying that Garland spoke up to volunteer himself, but Oz didn't want to use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 7, 2005 -> 10:21 PM) Why not just let Marte pitch the 7th, and Hermanson the 8th? I hate the logic of using Marte as a situational lefty. He's the type of pitcher that needs to get into a rhythm on the mound. I concur. Great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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