kev211 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 12:03 AM) The guy battled and won against cancer...I highly doubt it. Yah your probaly right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 11:03 PM) The guy battled and won against cancer...I highly doubt it. What type of cancer was it? I thought it was testicular but i'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 12:14 AM) What type of cancer was it? I thought it was testicular but i'm not sure. yah it was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 11:14 PM) yah it was Ok i was pretty sure that was it but wasn't 100% on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Red Sox appear O's main rival in pursuit of Burnett  There was no significant progress in talks between the Orioles and the Marlins for Burnett. Several other teams, including division foes Boston and the Toronto Blue Jays, remain interested. It still appears likely that Burnett won’t make his next start as a Marlin. The Orioles’ offer of reliever Jorge Julio, Hayden Penn and Larry Bigbie in exchange for Burnett and possibly either Mike Lowell or Juan Encarnacion appears to be the best one available… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 I hope Boston gets Burnett now. Let them blow their wad on him, and we'll scoop in and pickup Wagner and perhaps still have enough left over for Lilly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 we will not beat Boston in the playoffs if they get AJ Burnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spod=Ratings Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 02:19 AM) we will not beat Boston in the playoffs if they get AJ Burnett  Lets get to the playoffs first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 02:19 AM) we will not beat Boston in the playoffs if they get AJ Burnett  Most reports say Arroyo will be included in that trade. With Boston's s***ty pen and Schilling's healthy uncertain, I see no reason why even with Burnett we can't beat boston. Pitching wins and Boston has very little of it, even with Burnett.  Not to mention their defense is more than suspect...Boston is not a sound team by any stretch. Edited July 17, 2005 by sircaffey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 08:19 AM) we will not beat Boston in the playoffs if they get AJ Burnett I'd almost rather they get Burnett. Then they can't improve their leaky bullpen. Burnett's straight fastballs the other night would look like big juicy meatballs to our sox hitters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Yeah, honestly I think we could beat Burnett. This team is full of great fastball hitters. It's junkballers like Tim Wakefield who would give us plenty of trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 16, 2005 -> 10:43 PM) You could make a case that Contreras has outperformed Burnett this season. To take on Lowell too would be silly. Â Good point, and looking at it realistically, when you consider 1st half performance and career #'s you can expect the same thing from both of them the 2nd half, 5-6 wins. If you expect to get the same production then why trade? Then there's the playoffs, AJB has 0 experience, Contreras has some experience. The big difference here though is that you already have a relationship with Contreras and because of that Ozzie can go up to him before a playoff start and say "Jose, if you shake off your catcher I'm gonna pull you, no ands, ifs, or buts about it". To the contrary, there's really not enough time to establish a realtionship with AJB and that could lead to Ozzie sticking with the guy beyond what's prudent. So again, the one you have now has playoff experience and because of your established relationship you are comfortable in how you will handle him in that situation, the one you'd be trading for has no playoff experience and thus is a mystery as to how he will react plus your have not established a relationship and that could lead you into poor judgements with him. So then why trade? Â To add on taking on a contract like Lowell's to boot is insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 To be honest, if Boston trades Arroyo(plus prospects) for AJB I'm jumping up for joy. That's a season killing trade, esp. when you consider their BP woes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 New York Daily News: Red Sox will get Burnett  Marlins righthander A.J. Burnett will be traded to the Red Sox within a week, an MLB official said yesterday. Boston plans to sign Burnett to an extension. Red Sox special assistant Bill Lajoie watched Burnett's outing Thursday in Philadelphia, when he allowed six runs in five innings, including second-inning homers to Pat Burrell, Ryan Howard and Mike Lieberthal. Burnett is 5-6 with a 3.64 ERA in 18 starts this season.  "There is no truth at all to any deal we are making with the Marlins," Sox GM Theo Eptein said via an E-mail.  I'd stay out of this and let Baltimore/Boston/Toronto overpay for him and Lowell's awful contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 I agree. For this year, Contreras is just as good as AJ Burnett. Both are liable to give up the big inning, but both also have dominating stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Theo has already came out and said that his top five prospects are untouchable, and last night we had Bronson Arroyo performing a concert at Fenway, so I am really baffled at who the Red Sox would give up. Â My guess is somehow taking on Lowell, and then giving up a Brandon Moss or something of that sort, but we do know one things for sure, the writer for the daily news should be shot. what a horrible report... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 10:32 AM) Theo has already came out and said that his top five prospects are untouchable, and last night we had Bronson Arroyo performing a concert at Fenway, so I am really baffled at who the Red Sox would give up.  My guess is somehow taking on Lowell, and then giving up a Brandon Moss or something of that sort, but we do know one things for sure, the writer for the daily news should be shot. what a horrible report... What the hell do expect, the New York papers love making up their own rumors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 09:38 AM) New York Daily News:Â Red Sox will get Burnett I'd stay out of this and let Baltimore/Boston/Toronto overpay for him and Lowell's awful contract. I completely agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 (edited) Gammons says Boston is not close on a Burnett deal. He also said the Sox would have to send Contreras, Marte and either BMac or Anderson. Â To put it succinctly .... f*** that. Edited July 17, 2005 by YASNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubs Suck23 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 No f***in way would I send the Count,Marte and B Mac for Burnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Hitting Encarnacion never has been one to draw many walks, which made him a strong trade candidate in Los Angeles from the minute Paul De Podesta took over as general manager. His numbers suffered across the board because of the shoulder problem, and he finished the year in the bottom 10 in the majors in on-base percentage. Encarnacion has power to all fields and doesn't mind hitting with two strikes, but he still prefers to put the first pitch in play. A classic mistake hitter, he will deposit hanging breaking balls in the seats with the best of them. However, his overeager approach leaves him susceptible to quality offspeed pitches on the outer half.  Could we really afford to have another Uribe hitting on this team? There's just nothing about this possible trade to make you want to do it.  As has been noted, let's just get the hell out of the way and let Baltimore\Boston make this mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAFTR Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 11:44 AM) Gammons says Boston is not close on a Burnett deal. He also said the Sox would have to send Contreras, Marte and either BMac or Anderson. To put it succinctly .... f*** that.  He also said that Lowell would have to come along in the deal. I hope we don't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 One more time: KW, please get the f*** away from the Marlins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 you think williams is stupid enough to trade those players for burnett and lowel? HA Â good luck flordia, now, go fish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 I have a freind on another board who scored a job within the Marlins organization this past offseason. Here was his input: Personally, I havent heard any AJ trade talk around the office. In fact, all I've heard is people around the office saying trading AJ was not on the agenda. The word from on high was that we weren't going to move him. However, if the Sox moved in and knocked our socks off, we'd probably consider it. Look at all this "we...our" crap...what have I become? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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