southsider2k5 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 12:14 PM) The US is releasing 30 million barrels of crude from the reserves, and the IEA is releasing 60 million barrels of crude and gasoline over the next month. Energy prices came way down today. I edited this, I had incomplete info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 (edited) wow, thx Heads. I don't know why it's taken everyone so long to realize the magnitude of this sutation. Four days ago, I said N.O. was done. Oh, by the way, the Holiday weekend is here. I'm sure everyone is just gonna jump up and give up a 3 day weekend to help these people. Edited September 2, 2005 by LosMediasBlancas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Reddy and Tex - deep breaths. We are all on the same side here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 QUOTE(Reddy @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 12:18 PM) not true man, it just seems to me that you've been trying to downplay the seriousness of whats going on down there. and you have been - saying that killing etc happens anyway. i'm pretty sure ANARCHY doesnt happen on a regular basis is NO In what post? I've been pointing out that while the negative gets the headlines, we should also know that thousands of volunteers, like yourself, are working around the clock to help people. That humans are for the most part, generous and peaceful, and come together in a tragedy. If you wish to think that the looters are the norm, go for it. But out of the 500,000+ effective, do you believe there are 100,000 muggers, snipers, and rapists? 250,000? And yes, I did mention these crimes will happen tonight in Chicago. Trying to show a little context. These are in many cases the same criminals that would have been committing violent crimes without a hurricane. To believe that the hurricane, and the aftermath, turned law abiding persons suddenly into rapists and murderers is wrong. It did turn law abiding persons into petty thieves if you believe taking water and food off store shelves to survive is stealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted September 2, 2005 Author Share Posted September 2, 2005 Wow, I just saw Bush on CNN and was impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 12:23 PM) Reddy and Tex - deep breaths. We are all on the same side here. I'm cool. I believe most people here know I am a kind and sensitive person who does not downplay human tragedy. I'm not going to trot out my volunteer resume as some sort of badge of honor but my conscious is clear. But thanks for the advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 12:24 PM) In what post? I've been pointing out that while the negative gets the headlines, we should also know that thousands of volunteers, like yourself, are working around the clock to help people. That humans are for the most part, generous and peaceful, and come together in a tragedy. If you wish to think that the looters are the norm, go for it. But out of the 500,000+ effective, do you believe there are 100,000 muggers, snipers, and rapists? 250,000? And yes, I did mention these crimes will happen tonight in Chicago. Trying to show a little context. These are in many cases the same criminals that would have been committing violent crimes without a hurricane. To believe that the hurricane, and the aftermath, turned law abiding persons suddenly into rapists and murderers is wrong. It did turn law abiding persons into petty thieves if you believe taking water and food off store shelves to survive is stealing. now the crazy thing about this argument we're having is that i agree 100% with everything you said in this post. i've just been royally pissed off by what i've been seeing and hearing. i'm glad you can manage to stay optimistic in times like these cuz it's not something i'm great at. People do come together in a tragedy and i'm sure there are people down there working their asses off - harder than they've ever worked in their lives - to help. i just cant believe the inept-ness of our government to do anything to really help out. so hopefully we're both on the same page and we can stop this stupid argument when obviously there are more important things going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 12:26 PM) Wow, I just saw Bush on CNN and was impressed. What about that glorified photo op did you find impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Quick question: Was there any logic given for why snipers were reportedly shooting at helicopters transporting hospital patients and others? I only caught some of that briefly in the morning but had to hurry out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted September 2, 2005 Author Share Posted September 2, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 12:31 PM) What about that glorified photo op did you find impressive. He actually seemed caring.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 12:31 PM) What about that glorified photo op did you find impressive. Wait, lemme guess, he played hard ass again and is focusing on shooting down the looters instead of telling us the plan for getting people out, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 12:34 PM) Wait, lemme guess, he played hard ass again and is focusing on shooting down the looters instead of telling us the plan for getting people out, right? No, they showed him talking to victims and he did seem like he cared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 12:37 PM) No, they showed him talking to victims and he did seem like he cared. I thought he adressed the media. So, yeah photo op basically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 great he's talking to people. what does that accomplish? talk means s*** without action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 The next sad part of this will be the people who will try to use this tragedy for political gain. The minute the military starts shooting the armed gangs and looters you will hear an outcry from some members of the press/society talking about: "Do you really have to shoot them? Doesnt the goverment have non lethal technology? I guess due process suspends in the US when its the poor, etc. I hope they eliminate every single thug and moron who is out there using this as a platform to hurt innocent people. This reminds me of the images of BlackHawk down, as Mogudishu decended into chaos. The military has to get security back in New Orleans not only for this sake and for the sake of these people, but for future disasters. If the law of man doesnt suffice in this tragedy, what happens in the next disaster man made or other. The men and women who are on the ground risking their lives right now are heros in that town. Now its up to the US to give aid to this town and get it back up on its feet and save as many as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 On a small scale, how you survive a disaster or life threatening situation, is your attitude. I believe that is magnified on this scale. A very big part of what President Bush can do today is ease fears. He can assure the victims that are fearing physical violence that he is taking action and that criminals will be dealt with. He can boost the moral of the workers and volunteers that are working around the clock in filth and death. He can look the directors and the government people in the eye and say, Do it! In this case he is a cheerleader and damn important one. People who are not fearful, who are confident, or at the minimum hopeful, will make it through a lot better than the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 12:45 PM) On a small scale, how you survive a disaster or life threatening situation, is your attitude. I believe that is magnified on this scale. A very big part of what President Bush can do today is ease fears. He can assure the victims that are fearing physical violence that he is taking action and that criminals will be dealt with. He can boost the moral of the workers and volunteers that are working around the clock in filth and death. He can look the directors and the government people in the eye and say, Do it! In this case he is a cheerleader and damn important one. in my book it's four days too late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Just got off the phone with my friend in Houston. She is 2 blocks from Reliant and says things are very organized and under control there. On one side of the stadium are all the emergency vehicles and ambulances and on the other side of the stadium are all the volunteers and donated food and water and supplies. Sounds like once they get to Tex., they're ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Does anyone know if other countries have come forward offering millions in aid and help like the US did after the tsunami? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 QUOTE(Middle Buffalo @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 12:48 PM) Does anyone know if other countries have come forward offering millions in aid and help like the US did after the tsunami? There was billions of dollars sent from almost all countries around the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 10:50 AM) There was billions of dollars sent from almost all countries around the world. That's good to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 LA Senator saids death count could "start at 10,000" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 That money will help in the months to come, but lack of money has not been the problem these past 5 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/...katrina_cuba_dc Cuban Parliament offers a minute of silence for New Orleans, then condemns Bush for Iraq. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 A military convoy is rolling/floating into New Orleans. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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