shipps Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 QUOTE(Jimbo @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 02:24 AM) they are humans, not ounces of cocaine.... But the process of "the smuggling" will go the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 QUOTE(shipps @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 02:29 AM) But the process of "the smuggling" will go the same. true true....jimbo is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 04:08 PM) I'm not quite Kalapse level of genius, but I like to believe I'm a notch below. Criticize all you want, but realistically, how can you ignore our deficiencies on this issue? Thirty percent of major leaguers originate from Latin America, yet we haven't signed and developed a contributing player from this area in 10 years? We're not the damn Royals. This is embarrassing, and needs to change. Travel south of Florida and give yourself a chance to develop pitchers who are out of reach in the draft. Sounds to me like a realistic way of upgrade the starting pitching. May take years for results to arrive, but devoting resources to this issue would prove more beneficial than any ridiculous FA shopping spree. And this is what I get worried with you here Flash. Results aren't going to happen overnight if we put more $$$ in the region. Are you going to keep saying "Where's our Liriano" over the next 5-10 years if we don't develop a stud from the region, even though we may be able to develop some fairly solid players (who may be traded because you know KW likes to do that)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 01:08 AM) I'm not quite Kalapse level of genius, but I like to believe I'm a notch below. Criticize all you want, but realistically, how can you ignore our deficiencies on this issue? Thirty percent of major leaguers originate from Latin America, yet we haven't signed and developed a contributing player from this area in 10 years? We're not the damn Royals. This is embarrassing, and needs to change. Travel south of Florida and give yourself a chance to develop pitchers who are out of reach in the draft. Sounds to me like a realistic way of upgrade the starting pitching. May take years for results to arrive, but devoting resources to this issue would prove more beneficial than any ridiculous FA shopping spree. I will tell you what, why dont you name the top 5 scouting teams in latin america, and we shall see how many rings they have won. Scouting is not our problem at all, prospect are overrated, and you need to figure that out. Its hilarious to think that the reason we didnt win the WS this year is because of our scouting in latin american. its like its Mecca. Haahahhaah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 07:37 PM) Not a bad idea, but his option is going to get picked up. Mike Mussina-S- Yankees Oct. 13 - 1:34 pm et The Yankees have reportedly decided not to exercise the $17 million option on Mike Mussina. Even though Mussina bounced back with a strong year, he's not worth $17 million for 2007. The Yankees are expected to give him a $1.5 million buyout and then attempt to re-sign him to a two-year deal. Source: SI.com So they won't be picking up the $17M option but will likely will attempt to bring him back for another 2 years at a discounted rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 15, 2006 Author Share Posted October 15, 2006 I'm really not a fan of Moose. The guy is pushing 40 and has only had one good year in the last three. I got a feeling if we signed him, it'd backfire completely. I'd rather stick with what we have than sign Mike, jmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 03:48 AM) Its hilarious to think that the reason we didnt win the WS this year is because of our scouting in latin american. its like its Mecca. Haahahhaah Oh yeah, I agree. Just show me a direct quote of the person who said that so I can truly appreciate the humor. Sure as hell know I never made such a distinction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 (edited) Check out the following link. These are players that will be free agents in 2008. This may be the best way to upgrade pitching. Might have to wait until the trade deadline but who knows. Free Agents after 2007 Edited October 16, 2006 by CanOfCorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 15, 2006 -> 02:37 AM) Are you going to keep saying "Where's our Liriano" over the next 5-10 years if we don't develop a stud from the region, even though we may be able to develop some fairly solid players (who may be traded because you know KW likes to do that)? Liriano was aquired via trade anyway, which means we can have "our Liriano" by trading active players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan76 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I wouldn't be so quick to quit on Vazquez. He had 2 horrible months, June and July, with a 7.50 and 6.82 ERAs (respectively). Every other month he was under 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 QUOTE(SoxFan76 @ Oct 20, 2006 -> 11:29 AM) I wouldn't be so quick to quit on Vazquez. He had 2 horrible months, June and July, with a 7.50 and 6.82 ERAs (respectively). Every other month he was under 4. Two horrible months, back to back at that, is a third of the season. You can't just discount that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 QUOTE(shakes @ Oct 20, 2006 -> 04:46 PM) Two horrible months, back to back at that, is a third of the season. You can't just discount that. Didnt Crede have a similar year like that in 05, and everyone was saying he was going to explode in 06... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Oct 20, 2006 -> 12:13 PM) Didnt Crede have a similar year like that in 05, and everyone was saying he was going to explode in 06... Touche. That would be a nice trend if it started for the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 QUOTE(shakes @ Oct 20, 2006 -> 11:46 AM) Two horrible months, back to back at that, is a third of the season. You can't just discount that. Well when Buehlre has a month with an ERA over 11 another one over 6 and one more in the 4's, Garcia has 3 months with an ERA +5 and another in the high 4's and Contreras has a month with a +7 another +6 and one +4 I think you can be a little more forgiving to Javy for his 2 horrible months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Kalapse @ Oct 20, 2006 -> 12:58 PM) Well when Buehlre has a month with an ERA over 11 another one over 6 and one more in the 4's, Garcia has 3 months with an ERA +5 and another in the high 4's and Contreras has a month with a +7 another +6 and one +4 I think you can be a little more forgiving to Javy for his 2 horrible months. And everyone's love child(including mine), Jon Garland, had 4 months with an ERA of 4.50 or higher. Vazquez was our second best starter all year, and I'm not going to buy any argument against that statement. Edited October 20, 2006 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 QUOTE(SoxFan76 @ Oct 20, 2006 -> 11:29 AM) I wouldn't be so quick to quit on Vazquez. He had 2 horrible months, June and July, with a 7.50 and 6.82 ERAs (respectively). Every other month he was under 4. More like 9 freaking years of this. Up and down, good games and disasters. How can a guy with his arm and stuff be 100-105 life time? Because he is a dog. He managed to be a sub .500 pitcher for a team that won 90 games. You can explain away one season, but he has been mediocre for 9 years, how can you expect him to magically morph into a different guy? He's a loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 QUOTE(TLAK @ Oct 21, 2006 -> 10:35 PM) More like 9 freaking years of this. Up and down, good games and disasters. How can a guy with his arm and stuff be 100-105 life time? Because he is a dog. He managed to be a sub .500 pitcher for a team that won 90 games. You can explain away one season, but he has been mediocre for 9 years, how can you expect him to magically morph into a different guy? He's a loser. Maybe because he has trouble getting run support? For example in the 3 seasons Vazquez had sub 4 ERA's for the Expos he only won 39 games in those 3 seasons. After what he showed in the 2nd half of the season, the Sox aren't going to trade him you'd have to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Oct 13, 2006 -> 01:41 PM) Who's this "Buehlre"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 20, 2006 -> 01:12 PM) And everyone's love child(including mine), Jon Garland, had 4 months with an ERA of 4.50 or higher. Vazquez was our second best starter all year, and I'm not going to buy any argument against that statement. That's not saying much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ Oct 21, 2006 -> 01:26 PM) That's not saying much... That says alot to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 QUOTE(SoxAce @ Oct 21, 2006 -> 01:27 PM) That says alot to me. Not with last years rotation without a starter that has an ERA less than 4 and pretty much no pitcher that allowed less hits than innings pitched. Contreras had a whopping 2 hits less than innings pitched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 The most realistic way for the sox to improve their SP is: 1] trading Freddy for the best SP prospect they can 2] inserting Bmac into the rotation--expecting to him to post an ERA under 4.50 for the yr 3] Expecting Buerhle to rebound to his career norms 4] Jon and Jose having ERA's under 4.00 Few guys are out there who are better than anyone the sox have. The cost of getting a SP better than any of the 5 guys the sox will have in 07--eevn with Freddy gone--would be too high, either in a trade or free agency. But adding SP in the minors who are close to being ready--with a trade of Freddy and probably Josh Fields--would IMO be the wisest plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 We desperately need somebody like Kenny Rogers/Jamie Moyer. What do you guys have against signing Redman to a cheap deal and see what he can do as a veteran? Sometimes it's about more than numbers. He didn't pitch that bad this past year with woeful (except against the Sox) KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 05:17 PM) We desperately need somebody like Kenny Rogers/Jamie Moyer. What do you guys have against signing Redman to a cheap deal and see what he can do as a veteran? Sometimes it's about more than numbers. He didn't pitch that bad this past year with woeful (except against the Sox) KC. Jamie Moyer!? That's the Jamie Moyer with the extreme flyball ratio, who gets lit up when he's not pitching in good pitching environments, so in other words, Moyer at the Cell would be a nightmare. And Redman didn't pitch that bad this season? I don't constitute a 5.71 ERA with a 76/63 K/BB ratio as being "that bad". In fact it's pretty brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 08:39 AM) Jamie Moyer!? That's the Jamie Moyer with the extreme flyball ratio, who gets lit up when he's not pitching in good pitching environments, so in other words, Moyer at the Cell would be a nightmare. And Redman didn't pitch that bad this season? I don't constitute a 5.71 ERA with a 76/63 K/BB ratio as being "that bad". In fact it's pretty brutal. Yeah, the Phils will regret the Moyer deal, but not because of the age and money like people think is why it'll end up dumb. They'll regret it when he gives up 30 homers or so the next 2 years in that ballpark and sees his ERA up around 5. At least the other parks in the NL East are pitcher friendly though (Florida, Washington, Atlanta, New York). Edited October 24, 2006 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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