That would be funny if Floyd beat out Brandon in spring training

for that starting spot.

Real funny.

I don't think it'd be funny at all, I think it'd be great, because that would at least be a small sign that Floyd is not a lost cause.

I don't think it'd be funny at all, I think it'd be great, because that would at least be a small sign that Floyd is not a lost cause.

 

and probably means McCarthy isn't Cy Young.

and probably means McCarthy isn't Cy Young.

 

If Garland gets dealt we might be seeing both of them in the starting rotation...

Joe Crowley quoting Gavin Floyd in today's Sun-Times:

''I had no idea I was getting traded,'' Floyd said. ''After a few days of marinating on it, I'm excited about it. It will be a great opportunity.''

At least he's not complaining about being treated like a piece of meat.

Joe Crowley quoting Gavin Floyd in today's Sun-Times:

 

At least he's not complaining about being treated like a piece of meat.

I'd hate for him to sit out a game because his arm was feeling tender.

I dont think the Cubs are even that desperate to give Marquis 10 million a year...

 

 

nope, but they did give him 3 years 20 mil

nope, but they did give him 3 years 20 mil

 

 

It's worse than that. The report says 3 years, $28 million. Linke

 

The Cubs accomplished the rare double double: strenghtening the Cardinals rotation while weakening their own. The guy had a 6.02 era under one of the best pitching coaches in Dave Duncan. This blows since it really makes it more difficult to re-sign our own pitchers. This gives me even more reason to hate the cubs.

At least The Gavel has the right idea.

Philly Daily News' Bill Conlin on Gavin Floyd:

 

The pitcher the Phillies thought they would eventually get when they lavished a $4.2 million bonus package on Floyd, top-rated high school pitcher in 2001, the No. 4 selection in the June draft, never showed up. The pitcher who made his big- league debut here in 2005 had regressed to the dime-a-dozen kind you can get on the second day of the draft.

 

Using the Phillies' own obviously bendable standard for drafting righthanded pitchers, his 88-91 mph fastball was marginal. His breaking ball and imposing size would have gotten him drafted, but the bonus would have been a lot closer to $40,000 than to $4.2 million.

 

Scouts like to talk about a prospect's "high ceiling." Gavin Floyd might have had his head against the rafters on draft day in 2001. Now, White Sox GM

 

Ken Williams projects the 6-4 enigma, whose once awesome 12-6 curveball suddenly skipped two time zones to become 10-5, as a 1-2-3 starter. Perhaps the White Sox have a secret formula that restores a lost yard to a fastball. They better, because that's what it will take.

 

 

 

And a bit on Gio:

 

Gio Gonzalez is a different story. The compact lefthander with the big arm does have a high ceiling. He is only 20 and he already has tasted some success in Double A and in the closeasthistotheshow Arizona Fall League.

That doesn't sound good, does it?

That doesn't sound good, does it?

About Gavin no, but about Gio yes.

I don't put any credence in a scouting report from a columnist.

I don't put any credence in a scouting report from a columnist.

 

Good point. If those Phillie fans had been around here last summer, they wouldn't be so happy about acquiring Garcia, either.

Good point. If those Phillie fans had been around here last summer, they wouldn't be so happy about acquiring Garcia, either.

 

I agree. Especially with the article from Phillie above. If Floyd's curveball has gone from 12-6 to 10-5 as stated, that is purely mechanical. What he is doing is dropping his arm angle to change the break on the ball. This reinforces the opinion that a mechanical alteration will benefit him.

 

Sorry, I referenced the wrong statement. This was in reply to the idea that Floyd will be siting next to Cooper.

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I agree. Especially with the article from Phillie above. If Floyd's curveball has gone from 12-6 to 10-5 as stated, that is purely mechanical. What he is doing is dropping his arm angle to change the break on the ball. This reinforces the opinion that a mechanical alteration will benefit him.

 

Sorry, I referenced the wrong statement. This was in reply to the idea that Floyd will be siting next to Cooper.

 

He could be a nice addition to the pen. If he can throw strikes and get that 12-6 curve near the zone he could have a similiar effect that Justin Duchscherer has in the pen. I think Coop will help him throw more strikes and to trust his stuff. And also outside of mechanics messing up his curve a bit, it has an effect on velocity. If he could be 92-93 with that curve from the pen he could be just the bridge guy to the back end of our pen. You go from a starter to Floyd, to the velocity train at the end and that could be a nice bullpen. Its just a matter if they throw strikes. That is the key for our pen. Throw strikes and trust your stuff.

That columnist did in fact sound like he actually knew a thing or two about the intrecacies of baseball though. That said I've seen Floyd pitch mighty fine at times so I'd like to see what Coop could do and Gio has made a ton of strides and has now emerged as a near upper echelon prospect (not quite there yet, but if he were 6-4 he'd be one of the stud prospects in all of baseball).

That columnist did in fact sound like he actually knew a thing or two about the intrecacies of baseball though. That said I've seen Floyd pitch mighty fine at times so I'd like to see what Coop could do and Gio has made a ton of strides and has now emerged as a near upper echelon prospect (not quite there yet, but if he were 6-4 he'd be one of the stud prospects in all of baseball).

 

Conlin is no dummy. But he's been in Philly a long time, so you know he's got to be jaded.

Coop said that his mechanics and rhythm were out of whack.

hasn't that seemed to have happened to a lot of philly prospects in the past few years? maybe their pitching coach just sucks

So, anyone know how accurate that bit on Floyd's fastball is? Most of the other reports have him throwing in the McCarthy range, 91-94 with most of his fastballs. Example. I'd be a little more concerned if he was barely topping 90 than if he was barely hitting 95.