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QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jan 31, 2009 -> 01:18 PM)
Can't believe people would say they would take Wayne over Em? Are you insane?

Not one bit. Until Em shows that he can go back to the form that made everyone a fan then it's gonna be that way.

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QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jan 31, 2009 -> 04:12 PM)
Eminem hasn't released a song in years. He hasn't released anything for someone to say, "Wayne did better than that".

Regardless, I'd take Wayne's body of work from Tha Carter I-present over Em's period where he was on top.

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QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Jan 31, 2009 -> 04:15 PM)
Regardless, I'd take Wayne's body of work from Tha Carter I-present over Em's period where he was on top.

 

Oh wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

 

In my mind I'm a fighter, my hearts a lighter

My soul is the fluid, my flow sparks it right up

But arsenic writer, often with arth-er-itis

Carpel-tunnel, Marshal with start s***-itis

Hard-headed and hot-headed

Bull-headed and pig-headed

Dick-headed a prick, a big headache I'm sick

Quick with it for every lyric spit it

There are 6 critics who wait, for me to slip with it

So quick this dynamite stick, bury the wick

It's gonna ex-plode any minute, some lunatic

Lit it and its not Nelly, do not tell me to stop yelling

When I stop selling I'll quit so, stop dwelling

I am not failing, you f***ers are not ready

Cause I got jelly, like Beyonce's pot belly

This is destiny, yes money

I'm off running, so get off of me

I'm not slowing the softening

 

I don't see Wayne write anything close to that good.

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QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Feb 1, 2009 -> 04:00 AM)
Don't worry, Hot Revolver sounds worse.

 

And MHizzle, please post a verse that could match up to that? Basically something that's lyrical that makes sense.

I'll give you one of my favorites from Wayne off the top of my head.

 

Give a woman none, uh-huh

I already gave my brother some, it's my sister turn

Ain't it funny how the fish do burn

But your boy just relax like a fresh new perm

Like the World in the barrel of the pistol turn

Homie get it how we live, never live and learn

Gotta talk about the flow cause you is concerned

Only down south rapper could've been in The Firm

Or the Commission or Wu-Tang ni**a

Tryna tell you I can kick it like Liu Kang ni**a

Got that Sub-Zero flow, how you want me ma?

Make her get over here like Scorpion

And when it comes down to the recording

I must be Lebron James if he's Jordan

No, I won rings for my performance

I'm more Kobe Bryant of an artist

Same coach, same game, been starting

Same tri-angle Offense

I come through the lane like Dargent

Referee ni**as is lame, they call charging

I have no brain I'm retarded

We are not the same I'ma Martian

You can be my Jane; I'm your Tarzan

I'm from the jungle where the snakes is all poison

I am magnificent like Marcus

You might wanna fall back like August

Or late September whatever you call it

I hit ni**az in the head like Vonage

I am talking to no particular audience

But understand I'm the guardian

And understand there won't be no guardin’ him

You will just get played like an accordion

I don't give a damn if she's bossy

I keep pu**y running like a faucet

She better catch like she Steve Largent

Because I'm "What's up" like "Martin"

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QUOTE (BobDylan @ Feb 2, 2009 -> 03:25 AM)
Do people consider this poetry? I'm serious here.

 

I dont even see the point of this "post the best lyrics" thing. It doesnt prove anything, standing alone both sets of lyrics are pretty funny to read.

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QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Feb 2, 2009 -> 12:13 PM)
Were we supposed to? They're lyrics to a song...I didn't know you had to be Shakespeare to write music....

 

You're right, but I don't know how anyone can take themselves seriously writing what you posted.

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Listening to the new side project of Saves the Day and Say Anything "Two Tongues" its exceptional, all though i feel that they should have brought on a better bass player like Saves The Days former bass player Eben D'Amico.

 

Between D'Amico and Fugazi's Joe Lally that is where i cultivated my tone and style as a bassist.

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QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Feb 1, 2009 -> 02:12 PM)
I'll give you one of my favorites from Wayne off the top of my head.

 

I personally would've went with Tie My Hands off of The Carter III, but even that can't go against Em's greatest lyrics.

 

I, knock on the door, hope isn't home

Fate's not around the lucks all gone

Don't ask me what's wrong ask me what's right

And I'ma tell you what's life, and did you know?

I lost everything, but I ain't the only the one

First came the hurricane, then the morning sun

Excuse me if I'm on one

And don't trip if I light one, I walk a tight one

They try tell me keep my eyes open

My whole city underwater, some people still floatin'

And they wonder why black people still voting

'Cause your president still choking

Take away the football team, the basketball team

And all we got is me to represent New Orleans, s***

No governor, no help from the mayor

Just a steady beating heart and a wish and a prayer

 

As far as hip-hop being poetry, it is, though sometimes it may be hard to see such. Regardless, there are different meanings to each song just like in any other genre.

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The poetry of hip-hop is almost as gone/dead as true "Hip-Hop" itself. The more knowns: BDK, Slick Rick, Pac, Nas, Biggie, Rakim, KRS1, Pun, Bone, Snoop, DMC, Fresh, etc... etc.... etc... I can go on and on. Hell even Busta Dialated People, Beat Junkies and Big L. Plus the guys who never got enough exposure during the glory times. There are only a select few doing their thing who I like TRUE hip-hop wise (The Ludas, the Outkasts, the Lupes [to an extent] etc..) not to mention the DJs and such, but it is dieing unfortunitely.

 

As far as this Weezy vs Em debate, Wayne is a beast (though as overrated as Jay-Z, who is a fraud BTW, and his boo) but no, he isn't as good as Em was when Em was really snappin. But Shady (and alot of underground followers [which I am hense the avatar name I've had for many years here]) knows there are others out there who never made it that are better than half/most of these posers in the game today, even better than he was. (Juice quickly comes to mind) It's just ridiculous the s*** that is on the radio not just for rap, but rock/punk/heavy/emo, alter., r&b, etc. also. I feel sorry for the younger kids who get into this crap, but frankly they don't have a choice, hense it's what they are exposed to.

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Best part about wayne is he basically said f*** lyrics and went after pure flow based rap. His shtick is all about how it sounds, how the words come out and play with each other and uses the same words for multiple definitions. Is it less powerful? Maybe, but how much longer can I base lyrics on selling coke on content? Besides Clipse? Nonetheless Georgia Bush was also where wayne killed it. Eminem was a whiner too, ooh no my mom took pills, ooo i'm poor, boo hoo people criticize me... who cares.

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QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Feb 3, 2009 -> 12:15 PM)
You know that Hold Steady live album/documentary I was talking about? Yeah, it's official now.

 

 

*****GGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPP***************

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