Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 A better example of a Horrible deal would be a 7 year deal with a 32 year old CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooftop Shots Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2007 -> 10:13 PM) What is nice about this is on past White Sox scales, this would have been THE move of the winter. Instead it's a small incremental one of about 5 or 6 that may happen. It's a blip past Uribe. I can't get too worked up either way. It's money and draft picks, too things I let the organization worry about. No players are leaving so hey, why not. Good Point. But also, as another post was correct in saying that a bullpen is usually a toss up as to who has career years and who doesn't. Win or lose, you gotta take a chance with something. Bullpen help is hard to come by because most everyone needs it. Kw and Ozzie had utmost confidence in our bullpen at Spring Training time last year, and it eventually died at a quick pace. Win or lose, make or break...................he's got to take some new chances. Remember...Guilleremo Mota was supposed to be a huge impact reliever and so far hasn't lived up to the hype,(People on this board were begging for him) and yet a little while back, Pappelbon comes out of no where and is now untouchable. Maybe my annalogy isn't very good, but the point is, you gotta take chances. Win or lose, KW has to start somewhere. We can only wait and see as time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 It is a crapshoot of sorts. Even the Angels released Bobby Jenks..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Nov 21, 2007 -> 10:46 PM) A better example of a Horrible deal would be a 7 year deal with a 32 year old CF. I can agree with you there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 QUOTE(longshot7 @ Nov 21, 2007 -> 10:49 PM) It is a crapshoot of sorts. Even the Angels released starting pitcher and head case Bobby Jenks..... Â fixed that for you. The Sox really took a chance there. Turned him into a relief pitcher than THE closer on a playoff team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2007 -> 10:53 PM) fixed that for you. The Sox really took a chance there. Turned him into a relief pitcher than THE closer on a playoff team. Â Gage.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonbluess Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 (edited) It is a crapshoot of sorts. Even the Angels released Bobby Jenks..... Â Even if it is, what is KW supposed to do? Stand pat? Â This is a good aggressive pickup for a pretty good veteran pitcher. I like it. Â With that said ... what is our median age now? About 35? Edited November 22, 2007 by SmashROT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 The money is high but I do like the Linebrink to Jenks bridge to victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 This will make everyone in the pen better. Ozzie can now really play the match-ups without having to worry about the 8th and 9th innings. Let's just hope Oz plays the right match-ups. Like Boone not facing any RH hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Anybody hear any other sources confirming it yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 QUOTE(103 mph screwball @ Nov 21, 2007 -> 08:30 PM) Well, first Cabrera and now Linebrink. KW is showing his "big fish" that he means business. That big fish is Hunter. He probably already hinted this move to Hunter in their meeting. There will be moves after Hunter as well. That is why KW wants him to make up his mind before the winter meetings. This teams getting a well deserved make over. Nice surprise to me. I love off season with KW at the wheel. I think Kenny's goal is to enter the winter meetings with his CFer here, his bullpen improved and shortstop solved. That will leave him the meetings to acquire a leadoff hitter and potentially get another reliever (plus trade Crede/Uribe). Than you will probably see things get quiet (unless of course he makes some massive move dealing Paulie) until January when he'll sign a couple vets for the bench (one will hopefully be a backup middle infiedler with the other being a right handed outfielder that can come off the bench and hit lefties very well (as well as ocassionally spell Thome as the DH against tough LHP's). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 (edited) Jenks wasn't released because relieving itself is a "crapshoot" or whatever. Jenks was released for drugs, drinking, fighting and self-mutilation of sorts (setting his hand on fire certainly counts). Â I'm glad he's clean, to the best of the public's knowledge, but the Angels knew what they had and we knew what we'd get when we got him: a young man with personal problems and a super arm. His problems seem to be gone now, though. Â ... Â On the deal: I kind of shrug. We'll wait and see. Edited November 22, 2007 by Gregory Pratt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Nov 21, 2007 -> 08:39 PM) with a team with as bad as a farm as we have, we need all the picks we can get. And, Linebrink is going to be throwing a lot of homers in the cell, if he does indeed come here. If the Sox wanted to they could get a 2nd round talent by going over slot money in the 5th or 10th round (not saying they would but the loss of a 2nd round draft pick isn't that major). If you are losing a top 20 pick maybe, but I could care less if they lose there 2nd and 3rd round picks (cause they'll lose something for Hunter or Rowand). They will have the top pick and will spend money there and hopefully they'll throw some of the money they don't spend in the 2nd or 3rd round at guys who slid in the 4th, 5th, and 6th rounds (or even later) or throw some extra cash at some international talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Now, if the Sox sign Linebrink, then they sign Hunter, then the Brewers get the 2nd rounder and the Twins get the 3rd? Would doing this deal first change the pick the Twins would get? Do I understand this correctly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 QUOTE(103 mph screwball @ Nov 22, 2007 -> 12:35 AM) Now, if the Sox sign Linebrink, then they sign Hunter, then the Brewers get the 2nd rounder and the Twins get the 3rd? Would doing this deal first change the pick the Twins would get? Do I understand this correctly? I think it depends on who's rated higher by Elias, but I could be wrong on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 blueprints for the bullpen right now... Â Jenks, CP Linebrink, SU Thornton, SU MacDougal, SU/MRP (trade bait?) Logan, LOOGY Wasserman, ROOGY Â I think we have to have 7 in the pen due to the fact we have 3 question marks in our rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I wonder if I can sell Kenny my copy of E.T. for the Atari 2600. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 the money is reasonable, and i actually thought linebrink was older than 31, i just think 4 years is too many....3 would have been better, especially since we dont give pitchers long term deals, but hes an improvement and hopefully will contribute...he actually did better in mil last year than i thought he would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Nov 21, 2007 -> 09:31 PM) Jenks wasn't released because relieving itself is a "crapshoot" or whatever. Jenks was released for drugs, drinking, fighting and self-mutilation of sorts (setting his hand on fire certainly counts). Â I'm glad he's clean, to the best of the public's knowledge, but the Angels knew what they had and we knew what we'd get when we got him: a young man with personal problems and a super arm. His problems seem to be gone now, though. Â Finding good relievers IS a crapshoot. Who knew Jenks would be as good as he is when KW took a flyer on him? Â If it looked like a knock on Kenny, it wasn't. (Two misinterpretations on one post - gotta love that) Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 QUOTE(longshot7 @ Nov 21, 2007 -> 11:56 PM) Finding good relievers IS a crapshoot. Who knew Jenks would be as good as he is when KW took a flyer on him? If it looked like a knock on Kenny, it wasn't. (Two misinterpretations on one post - gotta love that)  It's not always a crapshoot. Sure, finding ones like Jenks are, but there are relievers who have always been effective. Linebrink is one of those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I'm not a huge fan of Linebrink, but he will be someone we can count on to be effective. With that said, Vizcaino was overall effective for us, and a lot of people didn't care for Luis, so we shall see. It should definitely be an overpay, but at least we add an arm we have good idea of what we are going to get. We can't really say that about anyone else in the pen except Jenks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatManDu Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I'm not a huge fan of Linebrink, but he will be someone we can count on to be effective. With that said, Vizcaino was overall effective for us, and a lot of people didn't care for Luis, so we shall see. It should definitely be an overpay, but at least we add an arm we have good idea of what we are going to get. We can't really say that about anyone else in the pen except Jenks. My Brewer fan friends wound up calling him LineStink by the end of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 QUOTE(StatManDu @ Nov 22, 2007 -> 06:10 AM) My Brewer fan friends wound up calling him LineStink by the end of the season  Yeah, he was bad for them, but Yost also had no clue when to put him in/pull him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Can't we just make ONE move that doesn't completely suck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 22, 2007 -> 06:28 AM) Can't we just make ONE move that doesn't completely suck? Â If only we did the right thing and went into rebuilding mode. Someone made a good point in another thread, but it's crazy to think we traded Garland for a major league player that is not a leadoff hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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