Kyyle23 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId...amp;hcmp=motion Brewers are appealing the call. No doubt the scorer made a quick decision, do you think it was the correct decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco72 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Looks like a hit to me - he would have had a hard time getting him at first either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I'm going the other way with this, I think it should be an error and I hope MLB changes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share Posted September 1, 2008 Hmmmm, maybe I should have made this a poll. Can I still add one after the fact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I say it should be a hit after hearing Yost b**** about it not even being close.Cmon Ned it was a 50/50 call IMO and there is no way you can shrug it off to not even being a close call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I think it was an error, but I'm not sure how I feel about them possibly changing it back. Part of me feels, "that's baseball," but on the other hand I realize that these hit/error calls can be and are often changed by official scorers after the fact, when much less is riding on the line. Its a shame though, because even if its changed to an error (correctly imo), there's likely to always be a taint or stigma of controversy associated with CC's game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 merging soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 10:07 AM) merging soon Yay for the poll I neglected to add! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 10:08 AM) Yay for the poll I neglected to add! Sorry, I screwed up your title. My screw up for certain was an E-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 It was an error, but who cares. They won the game. That is way more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I watched it a couple more times and have to go E1. He could have easily thrown the runner out, he was there in time and it was a relatively easy pick up, one that would have been fielded 99% of the time, if he wasn't so fricking fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Err,I accidently clicked no but I meant for it to be a hit.The poll is flawed already!!!No wonder why they dont let me moderate Diamond club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (shipps @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 10:14 AM) Err,I accidently clicked no but I meant for it to be a hit.The poll is flawed already!!!No wonder why they dont let me moderate Diamond club! f***ing Florida voter already. I should have worded it better. Now we need an admin to rewrite the answers I do not have poll edit privileges here for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 09:17 AM) f***ing Florida voter already. I should have worded it better. Now we need an admin to rewrite the answers I do not have poll edit privileges here for some reason. We are the god damn blind leading the blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (shipps @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 10:20 AM) We are the god damn blind leading the blind. Fixed and I changed your vote, even though you are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 09:22 AM) Fixed and I changed your vote, even though you are wrong. Thanks,atleast shipps was honest about clicking the wrong button.Most would have just left it alone,but shipps vows to be honest with his fellow soxtalkians. And yes shipps is referring to himself in third person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I believe it was an error because I have seen many plays like that where I think hit all the way and the throw just BARELY beats them. Then again I don't know how good CC's fielding is. If he normally makes that play then it's an error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 10:11 AM) Then again I don't know how good CC's fielding is. If he normally makes that play then it's an error. That is an interesting comment. Should errors be determined by the individual player's talents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 It probably was an error, but to give it to him would be wrong IMO. I've seen worse called hits. How does anyone know the game would have gone the same way had CC had the pressure of a no hitter on his mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 11:24 AM) That is an interesting comment. Should errors be determined by the individual player's talents? Isnt that somewhat of the criteria involved, determining if the player A: could have gotten to the ball, and B: could have made the play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 11:24 AM) That is an interesting comment. Should errors be determined by the individual player's talents? To a point yes. You won't give a gold glove caliber fielder an error if he misplays a ball that most fielders wouldn't have gotten, but he usually does. I know that's vague though. So for example you might not give Crede an error for not getting the out when the ball is scorched down the foul line and he doesn't get the runner after diving getting up and throwing it. So had CC came up with it cleanly, he would have a chance with a good throw to get the runner. The link below describes an official error. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/offic...l_scorer_10.jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 10:36 AM) Isnt that somewhat of the criteria involved, determining if the player A: could have gotten to the ball, and B: could have made the play? What i was wondering could it be an error for a great fielding pitcher but not for a poor one? Does the individual player's talents come into play? I always thought no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 10:55 AM) To a point yes. You won't give a gold glove caliber fielder an error if he misplays a ball that most fielders wouldn't have gotten, but he usually does. I know that's vague though. So for example you might not give Crede an error for not getting the out when the ball is scorched down the foul line and he doesn't get the runner after diving getting up and throwing it. So had CC came up with it cleanly, he would have a chance with a good throw to get the runner. The link below describes an official error. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/offic...l_scorer_10.jsp Which is what I understood. It doesn't, matter what CC would normally do, he's judged against a "standard" drawn from all fielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I'm sorry, but I can't see how anyone would say that's an error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I think I read somewhere that MLB can't over turn it. And that the only way it can be overturned is for the official scorer to change it. If so, then what good does it do to protest it? Anybody else know anything about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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