Not half bad.

About what I expected. Alexei had a great year but Longoria deserved it, straight up.

Longoria was a man child. I had no doubt he'd win and I was pretty sure ARam would finish 2nd.

Exactly where he should have finished... Personally I hate that professionals from other countries are considered rookies here, but that is another story.

Exactly where he should have finished... Personally I hate that professionals from other countries are considered rookies here, but that is another story.

 

 

Longoria has been a pro since 2006. At least, he was playing stronger baseball than Alexei according to some expert that have said cuban league is A/AA ball.

 

Congrat to Longo!

So what 5 people didn't feel Alexei was one of the 3 best rookies?

Exactly how it should've ended up.

Exactly where he should have finished... Personally I hate that professionals from other countries are considered rookies here, but that is another story.

 

Why? Everyone with an opinion on the matter said that Cuban Baseball is equivalent to AA baseball.

So what 5 people didn't feel Alexei was one of the 3 best rookies?

 

People with votes should be held accountable.

So what 5 people didn't feel Alexei was one of the 3 best rookies?

 

 

It may have been the whole "I'm not voting for him because he was a professional overseas" opinion some people have

who really did have a better year between Aviles and Ramirez though? Just food for thought.

who really did have a better year between Aviles and Ramirez though? Just food for thought.

 

Should playing for a contender be put into consideration the way MVP is?

 

Just saying, you look past the stats, Lexi won some pretty key games for us. What he did would be impressive for a seasoned vet, let alone a rookie.

Edited November 10, 200817 yr by rangercal

Should playing for a contender be put into consideration the way MVP is?

No, and I will never back down from this stance.

I still don't understand why its a-ok for Long to get ROY after missing a month with a broken wrist, but for El Los to not have a chance in hell to get the MVP. Makes 0 sense.

I still don't understand why its a-ok for Long to get ROY after missing a month with a broken wrist, but for El Los to not have a chance in hell to get the MVP. Makes 0 sense.

Well Longoria's main competition or the award got about 5 month's worth of plate appearances (Evan: 508, Alexei: 509) while Quentin's main competition finished with 150-160 more PA (Quentin: 569, Morneau: 712, Pedroia: 726) so the 2 situations aren't exactly equal.

Should playing for a contender be put into consideration the way MVP is?

 

Just saying, you look past the stats, Lexi won some pretty key games for us. What he did would be impressive for a seasoned vet, let alone a rookie.

im putting this here because more people will see it than in the other ROY thread in diamond club...this is from neyer's blog and points out just how brutal these awards are

 

In the NL, an oddity: Edinson Volquez finished fourth in the balloting, which is odd for a couple of reasons. One, he was better than third-place finisher Jair Jurrjens. And two, Volquez wasn't a rookie in 2008. He got three second-place votes anyway, and the BBWAA counted them. (Feel free to insert your own joke here.)

Great rookie season Alexei! A lot of seasons you would've been ROY.

Well Longoria's main competition or the award got about 5 month's worth of plate appearances (Evan: 508, Alexei: 509) while Quentin's main competition finished with 150-160 more PA (Quentin: 569, Morneau: 712, Pedroia: 726) so the 2 situations aren't exactly equal.

 

Yeah, and I understand that, but along with not really keeping tabs on theTwins or Red Sox as often as our guys, it just seems like Quentin's time was more potent based on clutch, game winners, etc., than the other two. A shot of Jack to a beer if you will... If I were a pitcher Quentin would be the one of the three that I would most try to throw unhittable garbage at. Morneau follows from a distance. On a side note, I can't imagine Pedroia even dreaming about the level of production that he just turned in in even as little as two year.

Good job, Lexi. Second is nice.

That was amazing when Longoria homered off us his first two bats of the postseason.

That set a lousy tone for us in the series.

I still think CQ might have had that same effect on our Sox down the stretch and in the playoffs.

 

I for one have to say how proud Iam off Alexei.Many other years it would have been his to win, I look forward to watching him get even better in the years to come.

Exactly where he should have finished... Personally I hate that professionals from other countries are considered rookies here, but that is another story.

 

 

It is hard to give an all encompassing definition that fits everyone but if you are playing against the highest level of talent available overseas, it seems you should be ineligible.

I had a debate this week on a Twins board with a moderator (who for the most part is a pretty knowledgeable guy).

 

He said he wasn't impressed with Alexei and felt that he "hadn't lived up to the hype".

 

Hype??

 

When a guy gets a 4 year - $4M contract after working out for MLB teams... and the MLB scouting bureau gives him a 47 OFP - projecting him to be a utility player... where's the hype?

 

Seems to me that given the relatively low scouting expectations (and money offers) that Alexei knocked it out of the park this year.

 

One of the key points in our debate was whether there was a connection between hype and the size of contract offers.

 

I said "yes... obviously... because hype draws suitors". He said "no... there is not a connection".

 

 

Anybody else have an opinion on this?

 

How much hype did Alexei have coming in. And did he under or over perform relative to the hype?

 

 

(BTW - The Twins mod told me he'd much rather have Iwamura who he felt is a better player.)

Edited November 12, 200817 yr by scenario