Flash Tizzle Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 02:36 PM) Well maybe if Ozzie didn't bash him earlier, the kid would have more confidence in himself. That's what pisses me off about Ozzie, he criticizes his own players to the media way too much. There is no need for that type of stuff. Please, dont scapegoat his performance. Even IF it were true, I don't want some spineless little girl pitching for my team who becomes flusters when his manager doesn't kiss his ass. Jesus, it makes you wonder how players functioned 30+ years ago when players were ripped continuously in the media. I want to know if Guillen criticizing Poreda accounting for his 5 mph drop in velocity from the reports in the minors? Edited July 19, 2009 by Flash Tizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misplaced_Sox Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Why are people praising Ozzie for this move with Poreda? This was a terrible move and Ozzie just sticking it to the fans media, I cant wait for him to tout Wise lone HR for plugging him in today either. Ozzie is the mental midget, he slams the kid in the media, never plays him. Then says I'll show you and puts in a situation to fail. I dont know many rookies who would succeed in that situation at all. That was seriously classless indeed, and it show that Ozzie Guillen could never handle a youth movement because he always has to prove something to these "kids" always trying to tear them down. I kind of feel the way he treats BA, Fields, the other young players through the years has been terrible and has done more harm, mentally, physically.... then good. We are just lucky that Beckham is such a sure thing and confidence in abundance that Ozzie dumb comments couldn't even dent him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 08:42 PM) THAT is probably the run we'll lose by. Doubtful, as these players seemed out of it from the first pitch today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 02:40 PM) Ballgame. Carrasco's back to being Dj Carrasco. He lets other peoples runs score ala Thriller Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Guthrie's just throwing strikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 QUOTE (Misplaced_Sox @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 08:44 PM) Why are people praising Ozzie for this move with Poreda? This was a terrible move and Ozzie just sticking it to the fans media, I cant wait for him to tout Wise lone HR for plugging him in today either. Ozzie is the mental midget, he slams the kid in the media, never plays him. Then says I'll show you and puts in a situation to fail. I dont know many rookies who would succeed in that situation at all. That was seriously classless indeed, and it show that Ozzie Guillen could never handle a youth movement because he always has to prove something to these "kids" always trying to tear them down. I kind of feel the way he treats BA, Fields, the other young players through the years has been terrible and has done more harm, mentally, physically.... then good. We are just lucky that Beckham is such a sure thing and confidence in abundance that Ozzie dumb comments couldn't even dent him. I love this post. The fact he left him in to face Reimold was proof to me that he was sticking it to the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 QUOTE (Misplaced_Sox @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 02:44 PM) Why are people praising Ozzie for this move with Poreda? This was a terrible move and Ozzie just sticking it to the fans media, I cant wait for him to tout Wise lone HR for plugging him in today either. Ozzie is the mental midget, he slams the kid in the media, never plays him. Then says I'll show you and puts in a situation to fail. I dont know many rookies who would succeed in that situation at all. That was seriously classless indeed, and it show that Ozzie Guillen could never handle a youth movement because he always has to prove something to these "kids" always trying to tear them down. I kind of feel the way he treats BA, Fields, the other young players through the years has been terrible and has done more harm, mentally, physically.... then good. We are just lucky that Beckham is such a sure thing and confidence in abundance that Ozzie dumb comments couldn't even dent him. Glad someone else feels the way I do about Ozzie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 02:43 PM) Link has been TERRIBLE in the minors recently. He had one horrible outing in July where he gave up 5 ER in an inning. Take that one bad inning, his ERA is 2.79. I would say he has been fine in AAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 The last 30 days or so, the Sox offense is ranked #1 in just about every major category. So there is still a chance. I wonder what the Sox record is the past couple of seasons for 3 game series in which they won the first 2. Its almost automatic they lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Dewayne Wise is back to being Dewayne Wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 At least we showed them who was boss in our half of the inning!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 02:42 PM) Poreda has some tinkering to do. You could tell his confidence is pretty low and his mechanics are a bit off. Some time in triple-a should do wonders. I'm not giving up on the guy yet. And I still believe he has really good trade value. Halladay season anyone? His supposed velocity has yet to show up. It's Nick Masset-esque. A guy who supposedly throws a shade under 99, but we've never seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 08:46 PM) The last 30 days or so, the Sox offense is ranked #1 in just about every major category. So there is still a chance. I wonder what the Sox record is the past couple of seasons for 3 game series in which they won the first 2. Its almost automatic they lose. Being at the game yesterday, it was amazing how every hitter seems to be on fire over the last 30 games or so. Oh, and sitting in the right field stands, it makes you realize just how slow Jermaine is. Mora's flyball in the 9th was ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 02:46 PM) The last 30 days or so, the Sox offense is ranked #1 in just about every major category. So there is still a chance. I wonder what the Sox record is the past couple of seasons for 3 game series in which they won the first 2. Its almost automatic they lose. It does seam that way. Usually, because Ozzie loves his s*** Sunday lineups. But we are just terrible at closing out series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 02:42 PM) Poreda has some tinkering to do. You could tell his confidence is pretty low and his mechanics are a bit off. Some time in triple-a should do wonders. I'm not giving up on the guy yet. And I still believe he has really good trade value. Halladay season anyone? Poreda isn't the piece that I don't want to give up for Halladay. It's the main piece that makes it not worth it. I'd go as far as to say I wouldn't trade Danks for Halladay straight up. I think Danks can be that good and has way more value considering he is cheap and under contract longer. If we don't give up Danks or Beckham (which we shouldn't), we don't get Halladay and I'm ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 If we're not going to give Poreda regular work, send him down. Because those 2 walks were a perfect example of why he shouldn't be in the bullpen. Seriously, our long relief has been complete utter s***. Walks out of the bullpen almost hurt more than grand slams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 what a f***ing meltdown today - wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 (edited) What is our starting pitchers' ERA at now? Seems like it's probably gone up .25 points or so in the last 7 games. Edited July 19, 2009 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 I honestly wish Wise hadn’t hit that homerun. This will only due the team harm, if it convinces Ozzie that Wise is getting “on track“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 QUOTE (Misplaced_Sox @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 02:44 PM) Why are people praising Ozzie for this move with Poreda? This was a terrible move and Ozzie just sticking it to the fans media, I cant wait for him to tout Wise lone HR for plugging him in today either. Ozzie is the mental midget, he slams the kid in the media, never plays him. Then says I'll show you and puts in a situation to fail. I dont know many rookies who would succeed in that situation at all. That was seriously classless indeed, and it show that Ozzie Guillen could never handle a youth movement because he always has to prove something to these "kids" always trying to tear them down. I kind of feel the way he treats BA, Fields, the other young players through the years has been terrible and has done more harm, mentally, physically.... then good. We are just lucky that Beckham is such a sure thing and confidence in abundance that Ozzie dumb comments couldn't even dent him. So Ozzie is an idiot for not using Poreda and an idiot for using him. This was the exact opportunity I was talking about in a different thread where Poreda would have an opportunity to earn Ozzie's trust. Sorry, getting guys out in AA is a lot different than getting them out in the majors. In fact, Poreda would have an ugly ERA if he were in the position a lot of people want him to be in, that being in the rotation. He had a chance today and walked both guys he faced. I'm all for ripping Ozzie setting guys up to fail, but 2 batters 2 walks, that's on Poreda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Whenever Carrasco drops done, he either throws a ball or gets hit. I don't I've seen a successful drop down by him this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 02:49 PM) If we're not going to give Poreda regular work, send him down. Because those 2 walks were a perfect example of why he shouldn't be in the bullpen. Seriously, our long relief has been complete utter s***. Walks out of the bullpen almost hurt more than grand slams. The two walks and now 8 in 11 innings are exactly why he should be in the bullpen. He wouldn't last 4 innings regularly as a starter until he figures something else out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 08:51 PM) So Ozzie is an idiot for not using Poreda and an idiot for using him. This was the exact opportunity I was talking about in a different thread where Poreda would have an opportunity to earn Ozzie's trust. Sorry, getting guys out in AA is a lot different than getting them out in the majors. In fact, Poreda would have an ugly ERA if he were in the position a lot of people want him to be in, that being in the rotation. He had a chance today and walked both guys he faced. I'm all for ripping Ozzie setting guys up to fail, but 2 batters 2 walks, that's on Poreda. He should have never been promoted. I know for a fact that Beckham was promoted as a power struggle between KW and Ozzie, but I have no idea why Poreda was promoted. If anything, the stint in the majors has hurt his trade value while potentially hurting his development. All you had to do is look at his walk numbers and pitches per innings in the minors to see that he wouldn't cut it up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Alright, let's get two runs this inning and get back in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 02:51 PM) I honestly wish Wise hadn’t hit that homerun. This will only due the team harm, if it convinces Ozzie that Wise is getting “on track“ We're now going on nearly 4 years without a major league-caliber starting center fielder. But I am confident that one of these days -- and maybe even before 2017 -- Kenny Williams will aggressively fill that spot. (Provided that, you know, "the market" will make that possible.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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