StrangeSox Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 QUOTE (hogan873 @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 05:04 PM) Much like a Trade Winds forum was created, we may have to create the Gordon Beckham Forum. All things Gordon Beckham, all the time. We will rename the site "BeckhamTalk" and create a White Sox subforum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 03:58 PM) Jeff Francouer and Gordon Beckham are radically different players, with radically different approaches at the plate. Two compare both players against each other would be absurd. Oh really? they're both baseball players they're both dudes they both have an E in their surnames DISPUTE THAT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Here is the comparison I have in my head... Robin Yount. A guy who hit tons of doubles, and wasn't afraid to hit with guys on, plus a little bit of pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 FWIW, I think Beckham is the best young Sox player I've seen since Frank Thomas. I did not know that Francouer was a totally different ballplayer, I just thought it was interesting because he had a very hot start with a similar sample size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Worst Thread ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I can promise you I will refrain from starting threads in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Keep in mind: Mike Caruso hit .306 in his rookie year with 22 SB (far more than Gordon will swipe this year) and how'd that work out? Lets simmer down with the Beckman love people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackemup Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 If he doesn't realize his potential Beckham = Jeter + 5 or 10 hr's a year If he does realize his potential Beckham = ((combined stats from all players during steroids era - steroids)x(3 transformers)+(the energizer bunny)) raised to the power of Greg Norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 05:30 PM) I can promise you I will refrain from starting threads in the future. Good thread. You got to play the devil's advocate and choose the Beckham might not be good side. It gave a lot of us a chance to talk about our favorite subject. Beckhamania! BigSqwert, isn't it refreshing for a mostly pessimistic board to be optimistic about something. Please do not make a Gordon Beckham Forum like Trade Winds. Pale Hose Talk will be a ghost town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I don't think we have any idea how good Gordon Beckham can be. He may be the one we compare others to, not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash73 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 The real question is: How good is this youn g core going to be, with Beckham leading the way? Do we have an Atlanta Braves type run coming? BTW, next time we face the twins it'll be Beckham 56 twin -2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Look its no secret there is something to be said about rookies with talent coming to the Bigs and all of a sudden putting up awesome numbers, AKA lightening in a bottle. We have seen it over and over again; Soto, Zach Duke, Hunter Pence, Hank Blalock, Clint Barmes, Troy Tuliwitzki, Eric Hinske, Longoria, Pedroia, Angel Berrora, Bobby Crosby, Dontrelle Willis, etc etc. The point is yes there are a few shining stars in that bunch who go on to maintain their success year in and year out, most of them are just products of the fact that no one has seen them before and no one has been able to set up a game plan to combat their talent. Its typically refereed to a sophmore slump, ask Soto, Marmol, Duke, Barmes, etc about that. In reality the league just hasn't caught up with them yet, scouting reports, film, game plans, etc. Once all that comes into play the lightening in a bottle rookie experiences the "sophmore slump". Let me be the first to say Gordon Bechham is not immune from all this. Next year is going to be real tough, every opposing pitcher will have his strengths and weaknesses known and a scouting reports presented to them. It will be up to Gordon to either make some adjustments to prove that he is one of the supreme talents in the game (Longoria, Pedroia, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocking Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Gordon Beckham is becoming what Hawk always thought Alex Gordon would be. Its amazing how lucky we got to get Beckham at eight. Prospects are such a crap shoot, I say crown him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 05:44 PM) Keep in mind: Mike Caruso hit .306 in his rookie year with 22 SB (far more than Gordon will swipe this year) and how'd that work out? Lets simmer down with the Beckman love people. I SMELL BIAS or hurt feelings Edited August 6, 2009 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 06:44 PM) Keep in mind: Mike Caruso hit .306 in his rookie year with 22 SB (far more than Gordon will swipe this year) and how'd that work out? Lets simmer down with the Beckman love people. I never liked caruso. I LOVE Beckham. I could not be impressed with a .721 OPS, sorry. The best "Slappy" ever would have been was a slightly better version of Chris Getz. That said, Beckham is playing slightly better than David Wright in his rookie year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (rangercal @ Aug 6, 2009 -> 04:08 AM) I never liked caruso. I LOVE Beckham. I could not be impressed with a .721 OPS, sorry. The best "Slappy" ever would have been was a slightly better version of Chris Getz. That said, Beckham is playing slightly better than David Wright in his rookie year. He's playing slightly better then David Wright now. Edited August 6, 2009 by kev211 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 05:44 PM) Keep in mind: Mike Caruso hit .306 in his rookie year with 22 SB (far more than Gordon will swipe this year) and how'd that work out? Lets simmer down with the Beckman love people. I vaguely remember Caruso's rookie year. Was he a double machine like GBeck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 6, 2009 -> 06:00 AM) I vaguely remember Caruso's rookie year. Was he a double machine like GBeck? Gordon Beckham is not that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 The thing that will make Beckham great or Mike Caruso is his baseball I.Q. Does he have the knowledge and fortitude to support his baseball talent when the league adjusts or he goes in a slump. If the answer is yes well then the Sox have something between Carney Lansford and Robin Yount If the answer is no, the Sox have something between Greg Norton and Carney Lansford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 FWIW, all of the misc Beckham threads have been merged into one ginorous Gordon Beckham lovefest thread. Short of actual news, please put all stuff in here, please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 6, 2009 -> 08:24 AM) The thing that will make Beckham great or Mike Caruso is his baseball I.Q. Does he have the knowledge and fortitude to support his baseball talent when the league adjusts or he goes in a slump. If the answer is yes well then the Sox have something between Carney Lansford and Robin Yount If the answer is no, the Sox have something between Greg Norton and Carney Lansford So if he is baseball smart he is carney lansford, and if he is baseball dumb he is carney lansford. got it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Escobar Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 (edited) Feel free to merge this into the Catch all Beckham thread. I just wanted to post that title up there. http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=311957 Good read. If someone posted this and I missed it. My bad. Edited August 6, 2009 by Pumpkin Escobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Sometime in recent months Williams decided Beckham was a chip he would not be willing to trade, not even in a deal for Toronto ace Roy Halladay, a decision which drew a fair amount of criticism.Really? I don't remember that ever drawing criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Escobar Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 6, 2009 -> 09:53 AM) Really? I don't remember that ever drawing criticism. I agree. I think most people I've seen on here or talk to agree that Beckham, among others, were off limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Escobar Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 (edited) No offense to Mike Caruso but he shouldn't be what we are comparing Beckham too. I agree that the Beckham love is beyond hype now but it seems to be all in good fun. Well, until today, when I read Rosners column. The main difference between the two is that Beckham has the pedigree, where with Caruso, he didn't. Caruso was a second round pick - very good ball player but he wasn't the 1 or 2 best hitters out of NCAA. Only to not be taken because of concerns on his ability to remain at SS and have the same power in the majors. Even with those concerns - Beckham was still a top 10 pick and if you ask some GM's. He is making a case for needing to have gone higher. I'm not going to seriously say the kid is a HOF player but he is a very good ballplayer. What he is doing isn't a fluke. And he in no way should ever be seriously compared to Mike Caruso. Theyre two totally different types and breeds of players. Edited August 6, 2009 by Pumpkin Escobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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