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QUOTE (KevinM @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 06:01 PM)
What do you mean by verified?

 

meaning the guy who owns the site verified the source of the rumor, then posted it on Soxnet and soxtalk.

 

 

Dont get us wrong, nobody is saying that this deal is signed, sealed and delivered. However, the homework has been done before this report was posted, Soxtalk doesnt want to be known as a site that is just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks and this is no exception.

 

 

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Great piece from Gonzalez. Clearly these are the interesting aspects of the trade and it is important that we indicate we only are verifying the prelim discussions.

 

Gonzalez breaks out the reasons the deal wouldn't happen, but he also points out the Padres interest in a SP, CF, C, and 2B. The Sox have 3 prospects that fill 3 of those needs and they happen to be our top 3 prospects.

 

Bottom line, there is a lot of stuff in our system that would interest the Padres. The question is can the Sox take the risk and will they completely take a shot on Gonzalez putting them over the top for the next two years, because after that, it is highly unlikely the Sox brass would spend the necessary money to keep Gonzalez on the south-side.

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QUOTE (longshot7 @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 12:48 AM)
I don't want to come across as overly critical, but this is such a ridiculous story. Teams have preliminary talks about players all the time - how is this newsworthy? Konerko would be a horrible trade for the Angels and they have no need of him. I know this is the offseason and we don't have a lot to talk about, but can we refrain from this silly trade talk? It comes off very Cub fan-like.

 

two points:

 

-one, since when did message boards become places that are supposed to be bastions of truth and reality? any message board (cub, sox, yankees, name a team) spends a good deal of time as a speculation machine. so i'm not sure what you're really getting at with that.

 

-two, i agree wholeheartedly with your point that teams have preliminary trade talks all the time and that the fact that talks happened ("talks" could mean one phone call, really) don't mean much in regards to a deal being consummated. personally i don't find the deal as mentioned remotely realistic, but it doesn't mean it hasn't been discussed. and it doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it here.

 

personally i'd rather discuss this than ruminate over the sox payroll or whether ozzie ball ever really existed or not for the umpteenth time.

 

 

 

 

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 06:20 PM)
Great piece from Gonzalez. Clearly these are the interesting aspects of the trade and it is important that we indicate we only are verifying the prelim discussions.

 

Gonzalez breaks out the reasons the deal wouldn't happen, but he also points out the Padres interest in a SP, CF, C, and 2B. The Sox have 3 prospects that fill 3 of those needs and they happen to be our top 3 prospects.

 

Bottom line, there is a lot of stuff in our system that would interest the Padres. The question is can the Sox take the risk and will they completely take a shot on Gonzalez putting them over the top for the next two years, because after that, it is highly unlikely the Sox brass would spend the necessary money to keep Gonzalez on the south-side.

it would be awesome to get gonzalez but if the sox dont think or wouldnt want to pay what its going to cost to resgine him when he hits the market,then i dont want them to get him. they know how hes going to get a teixeira type contract so if theyre willing to give it to him than do it ,if not no. and i dont think theyd make this deal if they feel he'll be to expensive becuause i remember they got freddy and knew they were going to be able to resign him. they werent going to make the deal if they couldnt. (wow,the market has changed, we resigned freddy when he was an ace for 3/27 and now pitchers get 16+ and 5+ yrs lol)

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QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:14 PM)
He had a bounce back year, but after that '08 slump - you're pretty much at best going to dump that contract for middling prospects, or do some kind of lateral move where maybe you get a slightly better guy on a more problematic contract.

 

If that's the case, you have to hold onto him. Unless the Sox bring JT or JD back (or pull off a deal for Gonzalez), somebody has to hit behind Quentin. I can't imagine how bad this offense would be with Quentin and Beckham being the only .800+ OPS hitters in the lineup.

 

That said, I absolutely understand the logic behind dealing Paulie. He's overpaid in this market, prone to nagging injuries that kill his production, and while still productive, he's not the same .900 OPS guy from 2004-2006.

 

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QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 05:05 PM)
They'll pay him his market value later on. We'll have cheap talent for awhile here.

 

At that point you have a payroll of... Peavy, Rios, Floyd and not much else as we stand currently.

 

If the Red Sox give Bay a huge deal this winter, there may not be a suitor to give Gonzalez a Texiera-type deal next winter. Don't get me wrong, Gonzalez will get paid a lot... just not Texiera money.

 

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QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 07:05 PM)
They'll pay him his market value later on. We'll have cheap talent for awhile here.

 

At that point you have a payroll of... Peavy, Rios, Floyd and not much else as we stand currently.

The Sox are in a great position to deal for AGon and sign him to an extension after the 2011 season. . By then guys like Jared Mitchell and Phegley should be ready to come up, so even if we do trade Hudson, Flowers and more- we are still in great shape going forward. Get it done KW!

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QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 05:15 PM)
The Sox are in a great position to deal for AGon and sign him to an extension after the 2011 season. . By then guys like Jared Mitchell and Phegley should be ready to come up, so even if we do trade Hudson, Flowers and more- we are still in great shape going forward. Get it done KW!

Projecting where the current crop of guys will be a year from now is difficult enough. Talking about Phegley and Mitchell filling those holes...that's impossible to project at this point.

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 06:20 PM)
Great piece from Gonzalez. Clearly these are the interesting aspects of the trade and it is important that we indicate we only are verifying the prelim discussions.

 

Gonzalez breaks out the reasons the deal wouldn't happen, but he also points out the Padres interest in a SP, CF, C, and 2B. The Sox have 3 prospects that fill 3 of those needs and they happen to be our top 3 prospects.

 

Bottom line, there is a lot of stuff in our system that would interest the Padres. The question is can the Sox take the risk and will they completely take a shot on Gonzalez putting them over the top for the next two years, because after that, it is highly unlikely the Sox brass would spend the necessary money to keep Gonzalez on the south-side.

 

I am really impressed that everyone media-wise who has picked this up has been respectful of the initial report of this being in the discussion stages, and have built off of that.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 07:17 PM)
Projecting where the current crop of guys will be a year from now is difficult enough. Talking about Phegley and Mitchell filling those holes...that's impossible to project at this point.

True. . but both have the pedegree of becoming very good players. . . Mitchell looked mighty impressive in the college world series and Phegley is quickly turning into a quality catcher for the organization. . .

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QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 05:20 PM)
True. . but both have the pedegree of becoming very good players. . . Mitchell looked mighty impressive in the college world series and Phegley is quickly turning into a quality catcher for the organization. . .

yeah, but one bust or one bad contract or one injury to anyone and we're in real deep trouble if we hand out $18 mil a year to AGon.

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QUOTE (WCSox @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 07:07 PM)
If the Red Sox give Bay a huge deal this winter, there may not be a suitor to give Gonzalez a Texiera-type deal next winter. Don't get me wrong, Gonzalez will get paid a lot... just not Texiera money.

how is 18 mil unrealistic for him?

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QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 11:33 AM)
The Angels have had their eyes on PK for years...kinda like how KW is accused of paying too much for guys he's had his eyes on, hopefully they do the same here

 

they did, but then Texeira showed up, left, and the Angels found a rising star in Kendry Morales, who is much more in his prime at 26, has much better numbers as a switch hitter, and is making less than 10% of PK's money--and for those of us locals who've watched him play all season, can tell you intangibly he's simply a better total pkg than PK, even taking money out of the equation. There's no logic in why the Angels would replace him :unsure:

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 07:22 PM)
yeah, but one bust or one bad contract or one injury to anyone and we're in real deep trouble if we hand out $18 mil a year to AGon.

If you look at the big picture we have a 2 year window at winning this thing. Buerhle's contract runs out after 2011 and, Peavy's deal is over after 2012. Say the Sox pull off this deal, we have 2 years to decide rather to sign him to an extension or move in a different direction. It would be one thing mortgaging a good chunk of your farm for a guy with 1 year left on his contract, but the fact he has 2 years remaining gives the Sox an advantage. This is the perfect time to pull off a deal of this magnitude.

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QUOTE (stretchstretch @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 02:31 AM)
they did, but then Texeira showed up, left, and the Angels found a rising star in Kendry Morales, who is much more in his prime at 26, has much better numbers as a switch hitter, and is making less than 10% of PK's money--and for those of us locals who've watched him play all season, can tell you intangibly he's simply a better total pkg than PK, even taking money out of the equation. There's no logic in why the Angels would replace him :unsure:

 

But they wouldn't be replacing him.

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